More Discussions for this daf
1. Keri'as Shema - biblical or rabbinic? 2. Day and then night 3. Eating in the dark
4. Temimus 5. The posuk beshochbicha uvikumecha 6. Zman Krias Shma
7. earliest time to say Shema in the evening 8. Uva Hashemesh Vetaher 9. When does a poor man eat?
10. Be'arvin 11. What to read 12. The poor man's meal
13. Being Motzi another person with Shema 14. Eating korbanot until chatzot 15. The opposite of Tahor....
16. Sitting during Shema 17. Charts 18. When does Day Begin?
19. Does the Ri agree with the Yerushalmi 20. va'Yehi Erev va'Yehi Voker Yom Echad 21. Berachos 002: Shema
22. Kri'as Shema 23. To keep a person from Aveirah 24. Night or Day?
25. mi'Sha'ah sheha'Kohanim 26. Where do the Kohanim eat Terumah? 27. "reading" ; what about Kohanim?
28. Sof Zeman Shema 29. Second Answer of the Gemara 30. Zemanim
31. Rashi's Shitah for early Ma'ariv 32. Different Shitos in Shema 33. k'Sus ha'Zeh she'Eino Nirdam
34. Sunrise and Sunset 35. Translation of the Word "mi'Chi" 36. Tzeis or Bein ha'Shemashos
37. When do the Poor Eat? 38. The Gemara's Second Answer 39. Ashkenazi Keri'as Shema at Bedtime
40. Sunrise / Sunset 41. Iy Ba'is Eima 42. Which Shi'ur is earlier?
43. Zman Shema 44. When An Ani Eats His Bread 45. Rabeinu Tam in Tosfos
46. Is there a typo in the first Tosfos? 47. Times for Keri'as Shema 48. Tosfos and Rebbi Yehoshua Ben Levi
49. Codewords for Time of Earliest Kerias Shema 50. Me'eimasai 51. Korei vs Kor'in
52. Tzeis ha'Kochavim 53. Latest time 54. Time for saying Shema
55. בערבין 56. מתי אוכלים העניים 57. משעה שהעני אוכל פתו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 2

Steve Friedell asks:

Is there a typo in the Tosfos DH mei'Aimasai. When the Tosfos say,

v'Im Tomar Heich Anu Mispalilim Tefilas Minchah Samuch l'Minchah ... mi'Kol Makom Kashia ... she'Harei mei'Eizeh Ta'am Anu Mispalilim Arvis mi'Yad l'Achar Plag ha'Minchah.

It seems that the word Plag in the last line is out of place.

Tosfos seems to be asking why do we daven Mincha & Ma'ariv just before nightfall? We say Ma'arive right after Mincha (not right after "Plag Mincha as in the printed text) because we follow R. Yehuda that after Mincha we can daven Ma'ariv, but when we daven Miincha we don't follow R. Yehuda.

The text as printed is difficult because it assumes we say Mincha close to nightfall but then says we daven Ma'ariv right after Plag HaMincha, which would have been earlier.

Steve Friedell, Philadelphia PA USA

The Kollel replies:

The Tosfos is precise as written. First, he says that one may recite Ma'ariv immediately after Plag, like Rebbi Yehudah. He then discusses the reason why we may still recite Minchah after Plag even though it is considered nighttime for Keri'as Shema. He explains that we rule like the Rabanan that the end of the day is at Sheki'ah. However, if this is how we rule, then how can we recite after Plah, and before Sheki'ah, both Ma'ariv (considering it night) and Minchah (considering it day)? These are two contradictory leniencies, the leniency of Rebbi Yehudah (to recite Ma'ariv after Plag) and the leniency of the Rabanan (to recite Minchah until Sheki'ah)! He is not discussing our custom today of doing both together; he is merely pointing out that we cannot one time recite Minchah after Plag and another time call it night and recite Ma'ariv at that time.

The Halachah, however, is that one may do this as long as he is not doing it on the same day, in which case one should recite Minchah before Plag and Ma'ariv after Plag, according to the Rema. According to the Shulchan Aruch, one may recite both after Plag and the contradiction does not matter.

Yoel Domb