More Discussions for this daf
1. Keri'as Shema - biblical or rabbinic? 2. Day and then night 3. Eating in the dark
4. Temimus 5. The posuk beshochbicha uvikumecha 6. Zman Krias Shma
7. earliest time to say Shema in the evening 8. Uva Hashemesh Vetaher 9. When does a poor man eat?
10. Be'arvin 11. What to read 12. The poor man's meal
13. Being Motzi another person with Shema 14. Eating korbanot until chatzot 15. The opposite of Tahor....
16. Sitting during Shema 17. Charts 18. When does Day Begin?
19. Does the Ri agree with the Yerushalmi 20. va'Yehi Erev va'Yehi Voker Yom Echad 21. Berachos 002: Shema
22. Kri'as Shema 23. To keep a person from Aveirah 24. Night or Day?
25. mi'Sha'ah sheha'Kohanim 26. Where do the Kohanim eat Terumah? 27. "reading" ; what about Kohanim?
28. Sof Zeman Shema 29. Second Answer of the Gemara 30. Zemanim
31. Rashi's Shitah for early Ma'ariv 32. Different Shitos in Shema 33. k'Sus ha'Zeh she'Eino Nirdam
34. Sunrise and Sunset 35. Translation of the Word "mi'Chi" 36. Tzeis or Bein ha'Shemashos
37. When do the Poor Eat? 38. The Gemara's Second Answer 39. Ashkenazi Keri'as Shema at Bedtime
40. Sunrise / Sunset 41. Iy Ba'is Eima 42. Which Shi'ur is earlier?
43. Zman Shema 44. When An Ani Eats His Bread 45. Rabeinu Tam in Tosfos
46. Is there a typo in the first Tosfos? 47. Times for Keri'as Shema 48. Tosfos and Rebbi Yehoshua Ben Levi
49. Codewords for Time of Earliest Kerias Shema 50. Me'eimasai 51. Korei vs Kor'in
52. Tzeis ha'Kochavim 53. Latest time 54. Time for saying Shema
55. בערבין 56. מתי אוכלים העניים 57. משעה שהעני אוכל פתו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 2

Ronnie Ben-Ishay asked:

in D'H me'masai. R.Tam says we can say shema by plag because of R Yehuda says mariv at that time. But shema is governed by b'shochbecha(when you lie down) not by when night begins. every knows people dont ly down at that time. even R. Yonah say you can't but the berchos to shema can bec. it night time for berchos of shema but not shema itself bec governed by (WHEN YOU LIE DOWN)

AND the Riy on that tosfos brings proof from rebbi saying shema early on erev shabbos.thats bec of marriv and maybe repeated shema after 3 stars and R Tam says night begins 72MINUTES AFTER SUNSET so how can he say mariv and shema what is the reason for both.

And why do we make a gezrah for shema at night and not in the morning lest one over sleeps in the morning

Ronnie Ben-Ishay, Forest Hills

The Kollel replies:

Your first two questions -- "Z'man Shechivah" and what was the Ra'ayah from Rebbi -- are the Rosh's questions on Tosfos. According to Rebbi Yehudah, Maariv starts after Minchah, not at three stars.

I don't understand how your proposed Gezeirah would help. At night we want the person to say Shema early and not get involved in something that might make him miss Shema, but if the person oversleeps he is going to be worse off with a Gezeirah.

D. Zupnik