More Discussions for this daf
1. Keri'as Shema - biblical or rabbinic? 2. Day and then night 3. Eating in the dark
4. Temimus 5. The posuk beshochbicha uvikumecha 6. Zman Krias Shma
7. earliest time to say Shema in the evening 8. Uva Hashemesh Vetaher 9. When does a poor man eat?
10. Be'arvin 11. What to read 12. The poor man's meal
13. Being Motzi another person with Shema 14. Eating korbanot until chatzot 15. The opposite of Tahor....
16. Sitting during Shema 17. Charts 18. When does Day Begin?
19. Does the Ri agree with the Yerushalmi 20. va'Yehi Erev va'Yehi Voker Yom Echad 21. Berachos 002: Shema
22. Kri'as Shema 23. To keep a person from Aveirah 24. Night or Day?
25. mi'Sha'ah sheha'Kohanim 26. Where do the Kohanim eat Terumah? 27. "reading" ; what about Kohanim?
28. Sof Zeman Shema 29. Second Answer of the Gemara 30. Zemanim
31. Rashi's Shitah for early Ma'ariv 32. Different Shitos in Shema 33. k'Sus ha'Zeh she'Eino Nirdam
34. Sunrise and Sunset 35. Translation of the Word "mi'Chi" 36. Tzeis or Bein ha'Shemashos
37. When do the Poor Eat? 38. The Gemara's Second Answer 39. Ashkenazi Keri'as Shema at Bedtime
40. Sunrise / Sunset 41. Iy Ba'is Eima 42. Which Shi'ur is earlier?
43. Zman Shema 44. When An Ani Eats His Bread 45. Rabeinu Tam in Tosfos
46. Is there a typo in the first Tosfos? 47. Times for Keri'as Shema 48. Tosfos and Rebbi Yehoshua Ben Levi
49. Codewords for Time of Earliest Kerias Shema 50. Me'eimasai 51. Korei vs Kor'in
52. Tzeis ha'Kochavim 53. Latest time 54. Time for saying Shema
55. בערבין 56. מתי אוכלים העניים 57. משעה שהעני אוכל פתו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 2

Natan asked:

Going through again and thought of problem: R. Eliezer said in our mishnah zman Kriat Sh'ma is from the time the Kohanim ENTER to eat their trumah and on 2B he says when the day is sanctified erev shabbat, which I would think is thus the same time. My theory: the time of R. Yehoshua, when they are PURIFIED, perhaps goes like R. Yosi like an eye's blink before tzeit hachochavim, the bein hashemashot. But they don't actually come in to eat until after tzeit, which is a very short period of time anyway. And we could still say that ani and Kohanim ENTERING and kideish hayom are chad shiura hu.

Natan

The Kollel replies:

Dear Natan.

I think you didn't notice the Gemara on 3a, which distinctly maintains that Rebbi Eliezer in our Mishnah and Rebbi Eliezer in the Beraisa are two different opinions. Tosfos adds that they cannot be one and the same, because if they were, then Rebbi Eliezer in the Beraisa would be saying the same as Rebbi Yehoshua (who holds like Rebbi Eliezer in the Mishnah).

Aside from that, one cannot possibly say that Ani and Kohen are one and the same Shi'ur, since the Gemara initially suggests it, but concludes that they are not.

Kindest regards

Eliezer Chrysler