More Discussions for this daf
1. Keri'as Shema - biblical or rabbinic? 2. Day and then night 3. Eating in the dark
4. Temimus 5. The posuk beshochbicha uvikumecha 6. Zman Krias Shma
7. earliest time to say Shema in the evening 8. Uva Hashemesh Vetaher 9. When does a poor man eat?
10. Be'arvin 11. What to read 12. The poor man's meal
13. Being Motzi another person with Shema 14. Eating korbanot until chatzot 15. The opposite of Tahor....
16. Sitting during Shema 17. Charts 18. When does Day Begin?
19. Does the Ri agree with the Yerushalmi 20. va'Yehi Erev va'Yehi Voker Yom Echad 21. Berachos 002: Shema
22. Kri'as Shema 23. To keep a person from Aveirah 24. Night or Day?
25. mi'Sha'ah sheha'Kohanim 26. Where do the Kohanim eat Terumah? 27. "reading" ; what about Kohanim?
28. Sof Zeman Shema 29. Second Answer of the Gemara 30. Zemanim
31. Rashi's Shitah for early Ma'ariv 32. Different Shitos in Shema 33. k'Sus ha'Zeh she'Eino Nirdam
34. Sunrise and Sunset 35. Translation of the Word "mi'Chi" 36. Tzeis or Bein ha'Shemashos
37. When do the Poor Eat? 38. The Gemara's Second Answer 39. Ashkenazi Keri'as Shema at Bedtime
40. Sunrise / Sunset 41. Iy Ba'is Eima 42. Which Shi'ur is earlier?
43. Zman Shema 44. When An Ani Eats His Bread 45. Rabeinu Tam in Tosfos
46. Is there a typo in the first Tosfos? 47. Times for Keri'as Shema 48. Tosfos and Rebbi Yehoshua Ben Levi
49. Codewords for Time of Earliest Kerias Shema 50. Me'eimasai 51. Korei vs Kor'in
52. Tzeis ha'Kochavim 53. Latest time 54. Time for saying Shema
55. בערבין 56. מתי אוכלים העניים 57. משעה שהעני אוכל פתו
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 2

Andrew Greene asked:

If I understand Brachot daf 2 correctly, the gemara introduces a klal that when the chachamim say that the time for a particular mitzvah runs through chatzot, the actual final time is sheyaaleh amud hashachar and the hachamim are establishing the earlier time to "distance us from transgressing." One of the examples that is given is those korbanot thatmay be eaten for a day and a night.

So here's my question: My understanding is that the halacha is that the korban Pesach, and by implication the afikoman even at our s'darim, must be completely consumed no later than chatzot. Is this (1) an exception to the klal because in this case we are reenacting the first Pesach, when chatzot was the actual deadline; or is it (2) not an exception to the klal, and l'chatchila one should finish by chatzot but b'dieved one has until sheyaaleh amud hashachar, or (3) am I misunderstanding the situation and there's nothing to reconcile?

Thank you.

Andrew Greene, Newton (Boston), MA, USA

The Kollel replies:

The answer is both (1) and (2).

As far as when they may be eaten, there is no difference between the first Pesach and subsequent ones. But Tana'im argue in the Gemara whether (Rebbi Akiva) the Korban Pesach is the same as other Korbanos and may be eaten until Alos Ha'shachar mid'Oraisa (and Chatzos mid'Rabanan), or whether (Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah) it may only be eaten until Chatzos mid'Orasia, unlike other Korbanos.

Halachically, there is disagreement among the Rishonim how we rule. The RAMBAM (Korban Pesach 8:15) rules like Rebbi Akiva, that it may be eaten until Chatzos. If so, we would try to eat the Afikomen before Chatzos only because of the Rabbinic decree.

However, Tosfos Megilah 21a rules like Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah, that Afikomen must be eaten before Chatzos.

(Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting back to you on this. Due to the pressures of organizing our Grand Siyum and Pesach vacation, the Kollel fell behind in keeping up with our email questions. We are now back on track, and you should receive prompt answers to any future questions, G-d willing.)

Best wishes,

Mordecai Kornfeld

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