(Mishnah): They took out the Kaf (spoon) and Machtah to him. He took a double handful [of Ketores] and put it into the Kaf - a big [Kohen took a double handful] according to his great size, and a small [Kohen] according to his small size, and so was the measure (later he poured back from the Kaf into his hands, and not into a Kli).

He took the Machtah in his right hand, and the Kaf in his left hand. He walked in the Heichal until he reached between the two Parochos that divide between the Kodesh and Kodesh ha'Kodoshim. There was an Amah between them;

R. Yosi says, there was only one Paroches, for it says "v''Hivdilah ha'Paroches Lachem Bein ha'Kodesh u'Vein Kodesh ha'Kodoshim.''

(Gemara) Question: Did a Mishnah not already teach that he took the Machtah and ascended to the top of the Mizbe'ach?! (Here it connotes that only now they brought the Machtah to him!)

Answer: Our Mishnah refers to a Kaf and a Bazach (spoon. It is not really a Machtah, just the Ketores is inside.) What is Kaf? (Also it is a spoon!) It is a [big] stirring spoon.

(R. Yosah): This teaches that [the Bazach] is a Chulin Kli, for if you will say that it is Kodesh, something that was Kodesh in a Kli, is it redeemed?! (We redeem the extra Ketores and use it the next year.)

Amora'im argue about Ketores that was made while Chulin. R. Yosi ben Chaninah disqualifies, and R. Yehoshua ben Levi is Machshir.

What is R. Yosi ben Chaninah's reason? "Kodesh Hi'' - it must be brought when it is Kodesh.

What is R. Yehoshua ben Levi's reason? "Kodesh Hi'' teaches that it comes from Terumas ha'Lishkah (but one may make it while it is Chulin, and then buy it from Shekalim of Terumas ha'Lishkah).

(R. Yosi bei R. Bun): R. Yosi ben Chaninah holds like Shmuel, and R. Yehoshua ben Levi holds like R. Yochanan;

A Mishnah teaches "if one was Makdish his property, and there were matters proper for Korbanos Tzibur'' - R. Yochanan said that this refers to Ketores (it was made while Chulin, and the person owned it).

Rebuttal (R. Hoshayah): (R. Yochanan can hold even like R. Yosi ben Chaninah. The Mishnah discusses a professional from Beis Avtinas [who make the Ketores]. He received [leftover] Ketores for his wages (it was initially made Kodesh, and was profaned onto his work).

R. Yosi ben Chaninah holds like Shmuel, for Rav Huna said in the name of Shmuel that they made the Machteshes (used to grind spices) a Kli Shares for Kodesh.

(R. Yosi bei R. Bun): R. Chunah said in front of R. Yosah that something that was Kodesh in a Kli is redeemed. R. Yosah said to him "is this not like Shmuel? Shmuel said that Chachamim were lenient about excess Kodshim!''

Amora'im argue about Temidim that were left over. Shmuel said that they can be redeemed like Tam animals [Hukdash for Bedek ha'Bayis. Beis Din stipulates that if they are not needed, they are Kodesh for their value.] R. Yochanan said that they can be redeemed like Pesulei ha'Mukdashim (only after they get a Mum).

If goats (Chata'os for Musaf) were left over, according to Shmuel, if Olah can be redeemed (Tam), all the more so Chatas!

According to R. Yochanan, R. Ze'ira said that they graze [until they get a Mum, and then they are redeemed]. R. Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak said that they are used for Kitz ha'Mizbe'ach.

Question: Can a Chatas be offered for an Olah?!

Answer (R. Yosah): Korbanos Tzibur are fixed (which Korban they are) only through Shechitah. (The goats were prepared for Chata'os, but they did not have Kedushas Chatas.)

(R. Chananyah ben Tradyon): Beis Din stipulates about extra [animals] that they be offered for Olos.