1)
(a)We learned that if the man coming towards the six travelers turned back, then none of them is a Nazir. Based on an inference, the author of this section of our Mishnah cannot be Rebbi Tarfon, because of what Rebbi Yehudah said in his name. What did he say?
(b)On what grounds might we quote Rebbi Yehudah citing Rebbi Tarfon, rather than Rebbi Tarfon in our Mishnah?
1)
(a)We learned that if the man coming towards the six travelers turned back, then none of them is a Nazir. Based on an inference, the author of this section of our Mishnah cannot be Rebbi Tarfon - because Rebbi Yehudah said in his name 'Ein Echad Meihen Nazir, Lefi she'Lo Nitnah Nezirus Ela l'Hafla'ah' (that none of them is a Nazir, because Nezirus must be clarified at the time of the declaration.
(b)We probably quote Rebbi Yehudah citing Rebbi Tarfon (rather than Rebbi Tarfon in our Mishnah) - because he adds Rebbi Tarfon's source from the Torah.
2)
(a)We conclude that the author (of 'Hirsi'a l'Achorav') must be 'Rebbi Yehudah d'K'ri'. What does Rebbi Yehudah say there about a pile of produce that is stolen?
(b)What does Rebbi Shimon hold?
(c)Rav Ashi in Nedarim does not seem to agree with our Sugya. What does Rav Ashi comment there about Rebbi Yehudah, who invalidates the Nezirus due to the fact that the pile was stolen?
(d)How will Rav Ashi then explain our Mishnah? Who is the author, according to him?
2)
(a)We conclude that the author (of Hirsi'a l'Achorav) must be 'Rebbi Yehudah di'K'ri' - who says that if someone undertook Nezirus on condition that the pile of grain in front of him contained a hundred Kur, and he subsequently discovered that the pile had been stolen or lost, he is not a Nazir.
(b)According to Rebbi Shimon - he is.
(c)Rav Ashi in Nedarim does not seem to agree with our Sugya. He comments there that Rebbi Yehudah, who invalidates the Nezirus due to the fact that the pile was stolen - would really say the same thing even if the pile had not been stolen (because he holds like the statement of Rebbi Tarfon that he quoted a little earlier).
(d)Rav Ashi will therefore explain our Mishnah - to go like the Tana in 'Hareini Nazir', who says 'Hipilah Ishto, Eino Nazir' (because the Nezirus must ultimately be clarified, in order to become valid).
3)
(a)The Tana discusses a case if someone sees a Koy and declares Nezirus if it is a Chayah, whilst his friend declares Nezirus if it is not. What do the third and fourth friends say?
(b)The fifth friend declares Nezirus if it is both a Chayah and a Behemah, and the sixth that it is neither. If it is neither, then what is it? What are the ramifications of this Halachah?
(c)If it is both, what are the ramifications of saying that it is ...
1. ... a Chayah?
2. ... a Behemah
3)
(a)The Tana discusses a case if someone sees a Koy and declares Nezirus if it is a Chayah, whilst his friend declares Nezirus if it is not. The third friend says - that he will be a Nazir if it is a Behemah, and fourth friend, if it is not.
(b)The fifth friend declares Nezirus if it is both a Chayah and a Behemah, and the sixth if it is neither - in which case it is an individual species, and may not be bred with either a Behemah or a Chayah.
(c)If it is both, the ramifications of saying that it is ...
1. ... a Chayah - are that its blood requires covering (after it has been slaughtered).
2. ... a Behemah - that its Chelev is forbidden.
4)
(a)The seventh friend declares Nezirus if one of them is a Nazir. What does the eighth friend say?
(b)The ninth friend declares Nezirus if all of them are Nezirim. How is this feasible?
(c)What does the Tana rule?
4)
(a)The seventh friend declares Nezirus if one of them is a Nazir - the eighth friend, if one of them is not.
(b)The ninth friend declares Nezirus if all of them are Nezirim. This is feasible - if we interpret 'Nezirim' to mean Safek Nezirim'.
(c)The Tana rules - that all of them are Nezirim.
5)
(a)This Tana appears to follow the opinion of Beis Shamai, who rule in the previous Mishnah too, that all of them are Nezirim. Since when do Tana'im go out of their way to teach us the rulings of Beis Shamai?
(b)In fact, the author is Beis Hillel according to Rebbi Shimon. What does this mean?
(c)Some commentaries explain that the last three are ...
1. ... Vaday Nezirim. Why is that?
2. ... Safek Nezirim. Why is that?
(d)What is the problem with the nine Nezirim in our Mishnah? What does the Tana seemingly omit?
5)
(a)The theory that the Tana follows the opinion of Beis Shamai, who rule in the previous Mishnah too that all of them are Nezirim, is unacceptable (seeing as Tana'im do not go out of their way to teach us the rulings of Beis Shamai), In fact, the author could even be Beis Hillel, who rule there that they are not all Nezirim, meaning 'Vaday Nezirim', (even though Safek Nezirim they are).
(b)In fact, the author is Beis Hillel according to Rebbi Shimon - who rules that if the Nazir turned back, they are all Safek Nezirim, even though it is a Safek which does not stand to become clarified (based on the fact that a person tends to let himself into a Safek Nezirus).
(c)Some commentaries explain that the last three friends are ...
1. ... Vaday Nezirim - because one of them is indeed a Nazir (substantiating number seven's Nezirus), one of them is not a Vaday (but a Safek [number eight]), and all of them are Safek Nezirim (number nine).
2. ... Safek Nezirim - because what they may have meant is - that one of the first ones is a Vaday Nazir (number seven), is definitely not a Nazir (number eight), and that both of them are definitely not Nezirim (number nine).
(d)The problem with the nine Nezirim in our Mishnah is - why the Tana seemingly omits the case where the last one says 'she'Kulchem Einam Nezirim' (Perhaps he does so to balance the previous Mishnah, where he deliberately omits this case, as we explained there).
6)
(a)Some explain our Mishnah to mean that all nine friends are Nezirim (as we explained it). How do others explain it?
(b)The problem with this is how it is possible to apply the last three cases in the Mishnah ('she'Echad Mikem Nazir', 'she'Ein Echad Mikem Nazir' 'she'Kulchem Nezirim'). How do we resolve it?
6)
(a)Some explain our Mishnah to mean that all nine people are Nezirim (as we explained it). Others explain - that it is one man who accepted nine separate Nezirus.
(b)The problem with this is how it is possible to apply the last three cases in the Mishnah ('she'Echad Mikem Nazir', 'she'Ein Echad Mikem Nazir' 'she'Kulchem Nezirim') to one person. We resolve it - by establishing that nine men had previously accepted Nezirus in this way, and we are speaking about a tenth man who took upon himself all of their Nezirus in the event that they are all Nezirim.
HADRAN ALACH 'BEIS SHAMAI'
PEREK SHELOSHAH MINIM
7)
(a)Our Mishnah teaches us that Nezirus comprises three prohibitions. That of Tum'ah we learn from the Pasuk in Naso "Al Nefesh Mes lo Yavo". What do we learn from the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Kadosh Yiheyeh Gadel Pera"?
2. ... "mi'Kol Asher Ye'aseh mi'Gefen ha'Yayin, me'Chartzanim ... "?
(b)According to the Mishnah Rishonah, one is only Chayav for drinking a Revi'is (one and a half egg-volumes) of wine. What does Rebbi Akiva say?
(c)According to the Tana Kama, one is Chayav even if one ate a k'Zayis of pits or of skins. What does Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah say?
(d)According to Rebbi Yehudah, "Chartzanim" are the skins (based on the similarity between "Chartzanim" and "Chitzonim") and "Zagim", the pits. What does Rebbi Yosi say? What sign does he give by which to remember this?
7)
(a)Our Mishnah teaches us that Nezirus comprises three prohibitions. That of Tum'ah we learn from the Pasuk in Naso "Al Nefesh Mes lo Yavo". From the Pasuk ...
1. ... "Kadosh Yiheyeh Gadel Pera" - we learn that a Nazir is forbidden to cut his hair.
2. ... "mi'Kol Asher Ye'aseh mi'Gefen ha'Yayin, me'Chartzanim" - that a Nazir receive Malkus for eating a k'Zayis comprising grapes, raisins pits and skins.
(b)According to the Mishnah Rishonah, one is only Chayav for drinking a Revi'is (one and a half egg-volumes) of wine. Rebbi Akiva says - that one is even Chayav for a k'Zayis of bread soaked in wine (considerably less than a Revi'is).
(c)According to the Tana Kama, a Nazir is Chayav even for eating a k'Zayis of pits or of skins. Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah says - that at he must eat at least two pits and one skin before he will receive Malkus.
(d)According to Rebbi Yehudah, "Chartzanim" are the skins (based on the similarity between "Chartzanim" and "Chitzonim" [what is on the inside) and "Zagim", the pits; whereas Rebbi Yosi holds the reverse. The sign he gives by which to remember this is - the 'Zug' (bell) of an animal, which is on the outside (whilst the clapper is on the inside).
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8)
(a)What do we extrapolate from our Mishnah, which states that a Nazir transgresses when he eats anything that is 'Yotzei min ha'Gefen'?
(b)Others make the same inference from the Seifa 've'Eino Chayav Ela ad she'Yochal k'Zayis min ha'Anavim'. Why do they decline to learn like the first opinion?
(c)Either way, this does not conform with the opinion of Rebbi Elazar. What does Rebbi Elazar say?
(d)Both Tana'im derive their respective opinions from the Pasuk "mi'Yayin v'Shechar Yazir ... mi'Kol Asher Ye'aseh mi'Gefen ha'Yayin ... . Rebbi Elazar Darshens this Pasuk in the form of a 'Mi'ut and Ribuy'. What does he ...
1. ... include from the latter Pasuk?
2. ... exclude from the former one?
8)
(a)We extrapolate from our Mishnah, which states that a Nazir transgresses when he eats anything that is 'Yotzei min ha'Gefen' - that he is not Chayav for eating part of the vine itself.
(b)Others make the same inference from the Seifa 've'Eino Chayav Ela ad she'Yochal k'Zayis min ha'Anavim'. They decline to learn like the first opinion - because, in their opinion, 'Kol ha'Yotzei min ha'Gefen' does indeed incorporate the vine itself.
(c)Either way, this does not conform with the opinion of Rebbi Elazar - who obligates even a Nazir who ate the leaves or the small branches of a vine.
(d)Both Tana'im derive their respective opinions from the Pasuk "mi'Yayin v'Shechar Yazir ... mi'Kol Asher Ye'aseh mi'Gefen ha'Yayin ... . Rebbi Elazar Darshens this Pasuk in the form of a 'Mi'ut and Ribuy'. From ...
1. ... the latter Pasuk, he includes - everything.
2. ... the former one - he excludes the large branches.
9)
(a)The Rabanan add the Pasuk "me'Chartzanim v'Ad Zag", and Darshen all three. What form of Derashah do they now make?
(b)How do they subsequently Darshen the 'Prat u'Chlal u'Frat'?
(c)On what grounds do they Darshen the Prat in this way (in spite of the fact that it is actual food), and not literally (confining the Lav to actual food)?
(d)In any event, it is quite inconceivable to exclude wormy grapes, for two reasons, one of them because it is no worse that vinegar, which the Torah specifically includes. What is the other ?
9)
(a)The Rabanan add the Pasuk "me'Chartzanim v'Ad Zag", and Darshen all three - in the form of 'Prat u'Chlal, u'Frat'.
(b)They subsequently Darshen the 'Prat u'Chlal u'Frat' (like they would a 'Klal u'Frat u'Chlal') - to include whatever is similar to the Prat' (i.e. fruit and waste [such as unripe or wormy grapes]).
(c)They Darshen the Prat in this way (in spite of the fact that it is actual food) and not literally (confining the Lav to actual food) - because whatever is food from the vine (grapes, raisins, wine and vinegar) has already been mentioned in the Pasuk itself.
(d)In any event, it is quite inconceivable to exclude wormy grapes, for two reasons, one of them because it is no worse that vinegar, which the Torah specifically includes. The other one - because what would the 'Prat u'Chlal u'Frat' then come to include?
10)
(a)We ask why the Pasuk needs to add "Mechartzanim v'ad Zag". But did we not just use that as the second Prat?
(b)Why then, does the Torah place it after the Klal?
(c)How would we have Darshened the Pasuk if there had not been a Prat after the Klal?
(d)With which Tana in our Mishnah does Rebbi Elazar confer?
10)
(a)We ask why the Pasuk needs to add "Mechartzanim v'ad Zag". True, we just used that as the second P'rat. What we are asking however, is - why the Torah places this second Prat after the Klal, and not simply add it to the first P'rat.
(b)The Torah places it after the Klal - to teach us that we cannot treat a 'Klal u'Frat' like a 'Klal u'Frat u'Chlal'.
(c)Had there not been a Prat after the Klal - we would have used the Klal to include the branches and the leaves (because a 'Prat u'Chlal' works in the same way as a 'Mi'ut v'Ribuy' (according to Rebbi Elazar).
(d)Rebbi Elazar confers with Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah in our Mishnah, who learns from "Mechartzanim v'ad Zag" - that one is only Chayav if one eats at least two grape-pits and one skin.
11)
(a)The 'Pri referred to in the Beraisa is the fruit itself, and the 'Pesoles Pri', vinegar. 'Af Kol Pri' comes to include 'Guharki', and the 'Af Kol' of Pesoles Pri, 'Invi Dichrin'. What is ...
1. ... 'Guharki'?
2. ... 'Invi Dichrin'?
(b)From "v'Ad Zag" we include 'de'Bein ha'Beinayim'. What does this mean?
(c)Having already included unripe grapes, why do we need a Pasuk to include these small grapes?
11)
(a)The 'Pri referred to in the Beraisa is the fruit itself, and the 'Pesoles Pri', vinegar. 'Af Kol Pri' comes to include ...
1. ... 'Guharki' - (unripe grapes), and the 'Af Kol' of Pesoles Pri ...
2. ... 'Invi Dichrin' - (wormy ones).
(b)From "v'Ad Zag" we include 'de'Bein ha'Beinayim' - small grapes which will never ripen.
(c)Despite having already included unripe grapes, we nevertheless need a Pasuk to include these small grapes - precisely because, unlike the former, they will never ripen.
12)
(a)Others explain 'de'Bein ha'Beinayim' to mean the flesh between the pits and the skin. On what grounds do we initially reject this explanation?
(b)How do we ultimately accept it (answering the previous Kashya in the process)?
12)
(a)Others explain 'd'Bein ha'Beinayim' to mean the flesh between the pits and the skin, an explanation which we initially reject - on the grounds that this is the grape itself, which we already know from "Anavim".
(b)We ultimately accept it (answering the previous Kashya in the process) - by establishing it when he picked of the flesh and ate it (which is an unusual way of eating it, and for which, if not for the Derashah, he would not be Chayav).