Perek Barishonah

1)

(a)Before they initiated the Payis for Terumas ha'Deshen, which Kohen would perform it?

(b)What would they do ...

1. ... if two people wanted to perform it?

2. ... if they both arrived within the last four Amos simultaneously?

(c)In the latter case, how many Kohanim would participate in the ensuing Payis?

(d)They later changed to determine who would perform the Terumas ha'Deshen by means of a Payis. What caused them to withdraw the previous method?

1)

(a)Before they initiated the Payis for Terumas ha'Deshen - any Kohen who wanted to, would perform it.

(b)

1. If two people wanted to perform it - they would race up the Mizbe'ach. The Kohen who arrived first within the top four Amos of the ramp would merit the Mitzvah.

2. If they both arrived within the last four Amos simultaneously - then they would organize a Payis.

(c)In the latter case, all the Kohanim present would participate in the ensuing Payis.

(d)They withdrew the original method of determining which Kohen would merit the Terumas ha'Deshen, after it once happened that two Kohanim were racing, and the Kohen who was behind pushed the Kohen who was in the lead off the Mizbe'ach, causing him to break his leg.

2)

(a)Seeing as the remaining three Paysos had been in effect for a long time, why did they not institute a Payis for the Terumas ha'Deshen until after the calamity that occurred?

(b)Then why did they initiate a Payis for bringing up the limbs of the Tamid shel Bein ha'Arbayim on to the Mizbe'ach, even though that too, was a night-Avodah?

(c)Rebbi Yochanan's statement (to do with the Kidush Yadayim v'Raglayim for the Terumas ha'Deshen) led us to believe that the Terumas ha'Deshen was also the beginning of the day-Avodah (repudiating the distinction between Terumas ha'Deshen and bringing up the limbs - that we just made).

(d)How do we amend Rebbi Yochanan's statement?

2)

(a)The reason they did not institute a Payis for the Terumas ha'Deshen together with the other Paysos - is because they figured that the Kohanim would not attach sufficient importance to a night-Avodah, as to come so early in the morning, seeing as they were not certain to merit it anyway.

(b)They did however, initiate a Payis for bringing up the limbs of the Tamid shel Bein ha'Arbayim on to the Mizbe'ach, even though it too, was an Avodah that was performed by night - because although it was performed in the night, it was really the tail-end of a day-Avodah.

(c)Rebbi Yochanan said that a Kohen who had made Kidush Yadayim v'Raglayim for the Terumas ha'Deshen did not need to do so again in the morning, since he had already sanctified them at the beginning of the Avodah (implying that Terumas ha'Deshen was not a night- Avodah, but part of the day-Avodah. This repudiates the distinction between Terumas ha'Deshen and bringing up the limbs - that we just made.

(d)We amend Rebbi Yochanan's statement to read, instead of 'mi'Techilas Avodah' ('from the beginning of the Avodah') to mi'Techilah' ('earlier on').

3)

(a)According to the Gemara's second explanation, Chazal did not include Terumas ha'Deshen in the original Paysos, because they assumed that the Kohanim would have difficulty in getting up in the morning. Then why did they include the bringing of the limbs of yesterday's Korban?

(b)It appears from the Beraisa that the Payis for the Terumas ha'Deshen was not a new institution, but had always been connected with the arranging of the wood on the Ma'arachah and the placing of the two logs of wood there. How do we reconcile this with our Mishnah, which presents it as a new institution?

(c)When the two Kohanim raced up the ramp, the one who reached within four Amos performed the Avodah. Why does Rav Papa take for granted that this does not refer to ...

1. ... the four Amos preceding the ramp?

2. ... the first four Amos from the foot of the ramp and upwards?

3. ... somewhere in the middle of the ramp?

(d)What is Rav Papa uncertain about? What is his She'eilah?

3)

(a)According to the Gemara's second explanation, Chazal did not include Terumas ha'Deshen in the original Paysos, because they assumed that the Kohanim would have difficulty in getting up in the morning. They nevertheless included the bringing of the limbs of yesterday's Korban (which also took place at night-time) - because it is much easier to remain awake at night than it is to get up early in the morning.

(b)In fact, the Gemara explains, there were two decrees: Initially, Chazal thought that the Kohanim would not come so early in the morning; then they saw that they did come, and that as things stood, the Terumas ha'Deshen involved danger, so they instituted a Payis for it, too. But then the Kohanim, who were not willing to come so early in the morning on the off-chance that the Payis would fall on them, stopped coming. So, in order to encourage them to come, they instituted that, whichever Kohen merited the Terumas ha'Deshen, would also merit the Avodah of arranging the wood on the Ma'arachah and the placing of the two logs of wood there.

(c)When the two Kohanim raced up the ramp, the one who reached within four Amos performed the Avodah. Rav Papa takes for granted that this does not refer to ...

1. ... the four Amos preceding the ramp - because the Tana specifically wrote 'Ratzin v'Olin ba'Kevesh'.

2. ... the first four Amos from the foot of the ramp and upwards - from the same phrase, which implies that the Kohanim actually ran up the ramp (see Tosfos Yeshanim).

3. ... Somewhere in the middle of the ramp - because we would not know exactly where that is.

(d)Rav Papa's She'eilah is whether the four Amos (which definitely refer to the last four Amos of the ramp) were four Amos from the end (where the ramp reached the top of the Mizbe'ach) or four Amos from the beginning of the Mizbe'ach - i.e. minus two Amos (the Amah of the Yesod at the foot of the Mizbe'ach, and the Amah of the Sovev in the middle of the Mizbe'ach).

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4)

(a)Why did they count the fingers and not the people?

(b)We initially try to present the source for this as the Pasuk in Shmuel "Vayifkedem b'Bezek". How do we then interpret the word 'Bezek'?

(c)How do we refute this contention?

(d)The true source for the prohibition of counting Yisrael is a Pasuk in Hoshei'a "Vehayah Bnei Yisrael k'Chol ha'Yam Asher Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer". What does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak learn from "Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer"?

4)

(a)They counted the fingers and not the people - because it is forbidden to count people.

(b)We initially try to present the source for this as the Pasuk in Shmuel "Vayifkedem b'*Bezek*" - which we take to mean 'with pieces of earthenware'.

(c)We refute this contention on the grounds that "b'Bezek' may well mean 'in a place called Bezek'.

(d)The true source for the prohibition of counting Yisrael is a Pasuk in Hoshei'a "Vehayah Bnei Yisrael k'Chol ha'Yam Asher Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer". Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak learns from "Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer" that someone who counts them transgresses two Lavin.

5)

(a)We first explain that the beginning of the above Pasuk "Vehayah Bnei Yisrael k'Chol ha'Yam" (implying that the numbers of Yisrael will be countable) speaks when Yisrael do not behave as they should, whereas the end "Asher Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer" (which implies that they will be too numerous to count) - speaks when they do. What is the Gemara's second answer?

(b)How does Shmuel explain the change in the Pasuk in Shmuel, which describes how Shaul first counted the people with pieces of earthenware, and later with lambs?

5)

(a)We initially explain that the beginning of the above Pasuk "Vehayah Bnei Yisrael k'Chol ha'Yam" (implying that the numbers of Yisrael will be countable) speaks when Yisrael do not behave as they should, whereas its continuation "Asher Lo Yimad v'Lo Yisafer" (which implies that the numbers of Yisrael are limitless) - speaks when they do. According to the Gemara's second answer - Yisrael will be too numerous to be counted by human beings (who are also not able to count the sand by the sea-shore), but will be countable at the Hand of Hash-m.

(b)Shmuel (who interprets Bezek like we first explained in 4b.) explaining the change in the Pesukim in Shmuel (which describes how Shaul counted the people with pieces of earthenware, and later with lambs) - points out how, once a person is appointed leader over the community, Hash-m grants him wealth.

6)

(a)The Pasuk in Shmuel writes about King Shaul "Vayarev ba'Nachal". If "Nachal" is a hint to 'the Nachal Eisan' (in the Parshah of Eglah Arufah), what does the Pasuk refer to?

(b)A Heavenly Voice announced a Pasuk in Koheles. Which Pasuk?

(c)What did he do that gave occasion to a second Heavenly Voice to announce "Al Tirsha Harbeh"!?

6)

(a)The Pasuk in Shmuel writes about King Shaul "Vayarev ba'Nachal". If 'Nachal" is a hint to 'the Nachal Eisan' (in the Parshah of Eglah Arufah), the Pasuk refers to when Shaul queried Hash-m, as to what the animals and the children of Amalek had done wrong to deserve to be exterminated.

(b)A Heavenly Voice announced - "Al Tehi Tzadik Harbeh" (one should not try to be cleverer than Hash-m).

(c)Later, he went from extreme to the other, inasmuch as, on another occasion, he ordered an entire town of innocent Kohanim to be killed - as Chazal have stated 'someone who is kind to the cruel, will later go on to be cruel to the kind (i.e. the Kohanim, whose quality is kindness). That is when a Heavenly Voice announced "Al Tirsha Harbeh".

7)

(a)What is the meaning of 'Shaul b'Achas v'Alsah Lo, David bi'Shtayim v'Lo Alsah Lo'?

(b)What does the Gemara learn from here?

(c)What did Shaul do to lose the kingship?

(d)Why does the Gemara not include the unjust killing of Nov, the city of Kohanim, making it two sins?

7)

(a)'Shaul b'Achas v'Alsah Lo, David bi'Shtayim v'Lo Alsah Lo' means - 'Shaul performed only one sin, which caused him to die and lose his kingship; whereas David performed two, yet he did not lose his.

(b)The Gemara learns from here that when Hash-m is on someone's side, he does not need to worry about anything.

(c)Shaul lost his kingship - through the episode of Amalek, for taking the animals as spoil and keeping Agag alive.

(d)The Gemara does not include the unjust killing of Nov, the city of Kohanim, making it two - because Hash-m had rejected him already before that.

8)

(a)Which two sins of King David is the Gemara referring to?

(b)Why is the sin of Bas Sheva not included, making it three?

(c)How was David punished fourfold?

(d)This answer is rejected on the grounds that all these punishment did not strike his body. Otherwise, we could not have included the sin of counting the people either. Why not?

8)

(a)The two sins of King David to which the Gemara refers are those of sending Uriah to the front to be killed and counting Yisrael.

(b)The sin of Bas Sheva is not included, making it three, because David was punished for that directly - fourfold.

(c)He lost the next baby that was born to him, the raping of Tamar, and the deaths of Amnon and Avshalom.

(d)This answer is rejected on the grounds that all these punishment did not strike his body. Otherwise, we could not have included the sin of counting the people either - since there too, he was punished by the ensuing plague that struck the people, but not him.

9)

(a)In the final analysis, why is the sin of Bas Sheva not included? Which bodily punishment did he receive for that sin?

(b)At first, we explain that our Sugya does not count the sin of accepting Lashon ha'Ra from the slave of Mefivoshes (Yonasan's son), because Rav Huna (who is the author of this Sugya) holds like Shmuel, in whose opinion David in fact, did not accept Lashon ha'Ra. Is it possible to justify Rav Huna's omission of this sin - even according to Rav?

9)

(a)In the final analysis, the sin of Bas Sheva is not included - because David received a bodily punishment in the form of Tzara'as, which remained with him for six months, during which time the Sanhedrin and the Shechinah both left him.

(b)Even if we were to learn like Rav (that David did in fact accept Lashon ha'Ra), Rav Huna would still be justified in not including this sin - because he was punished for that, when Hash-m responded to his statement (of 'You and Tziva shall divide the field') with the words 'Rechav'am and Yarav'am shall divide the Kingdom'! (which is an intimately personal punishment (as if it had struck him - Agados Maharsha).

10)

(a)How do we explain the Pasuk in Shmuel "Ben Shanah Shaul b'Molcho"?

(b)What happened to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak ...

1. ... when he suggested that perhaps the Pasuk means to say that Shaul was dirty with sin like a year-old baby?

2. ... when he asked for forgiveness from the bones of Shaul ben Kish?

(c)According to Rebbi Yochanan quoting Rebbi Shimon ben Yehotzadak, the reason that Shaul's descendents did not inherit the kingdom from their father was because there was no Pesul Dofi. What does this mean? How did David have an advantage over him in this way?

(d)What reason does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav give for Shaul losing his kingdom?

10)

(a)"Ben Shanah Shaul b'Molcho" - means that, at the time that Shaul was crowned King, he was without sin, like a baby in his first year.

(b)When Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak ...

1. ... suggested that perhaps the Pasuk means to say that Shaul was dirty with sin like a year-old baby - he was shown a group of fearful angels who threatened him for daring to make such a suggestion. See also Tosfos Yeshanim.

2. ... asked for forgiveness from the bones of Shaul ben Kish - he was again shown the group of angels, because he referred to the bones of Shaul and not to his whole body (see Agados Maharsha).

(c)King David had a Pesul Dofi (otherwise referred to as a box of Sheratzim hanging around his neck). This means that he began with a stigma to his name, on account of the not very nice episode of Yehudah and Tamar. This would serve to prevent all the Malchei Beis David from allowing their power to go to their heads - this is something that King Shaul did not have, and the lack of it would cause his descendants to become proud. Consequently, they did not inherit the kingship from him.

(d)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav ascribes Shaul's losing his kingdom to his extreme (unwarranted) humility - for foregoing his honor (which, by a king, is a reflection of the honor of Hash-m, and therefore not his to forego).

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