SEPARATING ON CHAYAV AND PATUR TOGETHER (Yerushalmi Chalah Perek 3 Halachah 5 Daf 18b)
îúðé' äòåùä òéñä îï äçéèéí åîï äàåøæ àí éù áä èòí ãâï çééáú [ãó ìá òîåã à (òåæ åäãø)] åéåöà áä àãí éãé çåáúå áôñç. åàí àéï áä èòí ãâï àéðä çééáú áçìä åàéï àãí éåöà áå éãé çåáúå áôñç.
(Mishnah): One who makes a dough from wheat and rice, if it has the taste of grain, it is obligated [in Chalah] and one is Yotzei with [such Matzah] on Pesach. If it does not have the taste of grain, it is not obligated, and one is not Yotzei with it on Pesach.
äðåèì ùàåø îòéñä ùìà äåøîä çìúä åðåúï ìúåê òéñä ùäåøîä çìúä àí éù ìå ôøðñä îî÷åí àçø îåöéà ìôé çùáåï åàí ìàå îåöéà çìä àçú òì äëì.
If one takes Se'or from a dough that its Chalah was not taken, and puts it in a dough that its Chalah was taken - if he has Parnasah elsewhere to fix it, he separates according to the calculation [of how much Chalah should be taken for the Se'or]. If not, he takes one [Chalah] for everything (Tevel forbids any amount, and it makes the entire dough Tevel).
ëéåöà áå æéúé îñé÷ ùðúòøáå òí æéúé ðé÷åó. òéðáé áöéø òí òéðáé òåììåú. àí éù ìå ôøðñä îî÷åí àçø îåöéà ìôé çùáåï. åàí ìàå îåöéà úøåîä åúøåîú îòùø ìëì åùàø îòùø åîòùø ùðé ìôé çùáåï.
Similarly, if harvested olives [which must be tithed] became mixed with Nikuf olives (of Pe'ah, which the Oni knocked down from the tree; they are exempt from Ma'aseros), or harvested grapes became mixed with Olelos grapes (which are exempt) - if he has Parnasah elsewhere to fix it, he separates according to the calculation [of how much Tevel]. If not, he takes Terumah and Terumas Ma'aser for everything (we consider all of it like Tevel), and other Ma'aser and Ma'aser Sheni according to the calculation.
äðåèì ùàåø îòéñú çéèéí åðåúï (òéñú) [ìòéñú] äàåøæ àí éù áä èòí ãâï çééáú áçìä åàí ìàå ôèåøä îï äçìä.
If one takes Se'or from a dough of wheat, and puts it in a dough of rice - if it has the taste of grain, it is obligated in Chalah. If not, it is exempt from Chalah.
[ãó ìá òîåã á (òåæ åäãø)] åàí ëï ìîä àîøå äèáì àåñø ëì ùäåà
Question: If so, why did they say that Tevel forbids any amount?
îéï áîéðå åùìà áîéðå áðåúï èòí:
Answer: That is Min b'Mino, but Min b'Eino Mino, [it forbids only if it] gives taste.
âî' îúðéúà [ãìà] ëãøáï ùîòåï áï âîìéàì ãøáï ùîòåï áï âîìéàì àåîø ìòåìí àéðä çééáú [áçìä] òã ùéäà áä ãâï ëùéòåø.
(Gemara): Our Mishnah is unlike R. Shimon ben Gamliel, for R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, it is never obligated in Chalah unless there is a Shi'ur of grain.
[ãó éè òîåã à] øáé éò÷á áø àéãé áùí øáé ùîòåï áï ì÷éù äìëä ëøáï ùîòåï áï âîìéàì
(R. Yakov bar Idi citing Reish Lakish): The Halachah follows R. Shimon ben Gamliel.
à"ø äéìà áéï ëøáðéï ãäëà áéï ëøáðéï ãäúí àîøéï òã ùéäà øåáä ãâï åèòîå ãâï.
(R. Heila): Both according to Rabanan here (Eretz Yisrael), and Rabanan there (in Bavel), they say [that it is obligated in Chalah] only if it is mostly grain and it has the taste of grain.
øá äåðà àîø èòîä ãâï àó òì ôé ùàéï øåáä ãâï.
(Rav Huna): If it has the taste of grain, even if it is not mostly grain [it is obligated].
îúðéú' ôìéâé òì øá äåðà òéøá áä ùàø äîéðéï òã ùéäà áä øåáä ãâï åèòîä ãâï.
Question (against Rav Huna - Beraisa): If one mixed in other species, it is exempt unless it is mostly grain and it has the taste of grain.
ôúø ìä áîéðéí àçøéí.
Answer: He explains that to discuss other species (not rice. Rav Huna discussed only rice with grain.)
îúðéúà ôìéâà òì øáé äéìà äðåèì ùàåø îòéñú çéèéï åðåúðä ìúåê òéñú äàåøæ àí éù áä èòí ãâï çééáú áçìä åàí ìàå ôèåøä.
Question (against R. Heila - Mishnah): If one takes Se'or from a dough of wheat, and puts it in a dough of rice - if it has the taste of grain, it is obligated in Chalah. If not, it is exempt.
áâéï (ðúðå - ùãä éäåùò) ãáúøä äèáì (àñåø) [àåñø] ëì ùäåà îéï áîéðå åùìà áîéðå áðåúï èòí.
Answer: [Really, also a majority of grain is required. Here,] because it is after [it was already obligated in the first dough] Tevel forbids any amount Min b'Mino, and Lo b'Mino, if it gives taste. (We explained this like SEDEI YEHOSHUA, R. ISAR ZALMAN MELTZER.)
øáé éåñé äåä îñîê ìøáé æòéøà ùîò ÷ìéä ãøáé äéìà éúéá îúðé øáé éåçðï àîø èòîä ãâï àó òì ôé ùàéï øåáä ãâï øáé (éåñé) [ö"ì ééñà - ùòøé úåøú àøõ éùøàì] áùí øáé éåçðï òã ùéäà áä øåáä ãâï åèòîä ãâï.
R. Yosi was carrying R. Ze'ira on his shoulder, and he heard the voice of R. Heila sitting and teaching 'R. Yochanan says, the taste of grain, even if it is not mostly grain. R. Yisa says in the name of R. Yochanan, it must be mostly grain and it has the taste of grain.'
[ãó ìâ òîåã à (òåæ åäãø)] àîø îçìôà äéà áéãéä [ãó éè òîåã á] ñéîï äåä ìï øáé (éåñé) [ö"ì ééñà - ùòøé úåøú àøõ éùøàì] ëøá äåðà.
R. Ze'ira: He switched [R. Yisa's] opinion! We have a Siman - R. Yisa holds like Rav Huna [who said that the taste of grain suffices. (We explained this like SHA'AREI TORAS ERETZ YISRAEL. R. Yisa is R. Asi of the Bavli, a Talmid of R. Yochanan. R. Yosi was a Talmid of R. Ze'ira. He would not have his own tradition of R. Yochanan's opinion, and his Rebbi (R. Ze'ira) would not discuss a Siman for his Talmid's opinion! - PF)