Question: What is this coming to teach us? We have already learned in our Mishnah that if he broke vessels, he is Patur?

Answer: From our Mishnah we only know that one is Patur if he broke the vessels whilst still in the tunnel` Rav adds that he is Chayav even if he broke them afterwards.

Question (Part 1): Did we not learn in 'Merubeh' that someone who steals from a Ganav is Patur from paying double ...

Question (Part 2): As we Darshen from the Pasuk (in connection with the Din of paying double) "And it is stolen from the house of the man" - to preclude the house of the Ganav.

Question (Part 3): And Rav explains there in the Gemara that this only applies before Yi'ush, but after Yi'ush, the first Ganav acquires the object with Yi'ush, and the second Ganav is obligated to pay the first Ganav double.

Question (Part 4): So we see that one does not acquire before Yi'ush?

Answer: The Gemara there is speaking where the Ganav stole the object from the owner's roof, Chatzer or enclosure, which are not locations that render him Chayav Misah, in which case he requires warning; Whereas our Sugya is speaking about a tunnel, where, as the Gemara will state later, 'The tunnel itself is considered a warning'.

Question: But is he not Chayav to return the object in order to fulfill his moral obligation, as we have learned in Perek ha'Po'alim (in connection with someone who muzzles a cow whilst it is threshing) where the Gemara says 'Esnan Asrah Torah, va'Afilu Ba al Imo!'?

Answer: In this case however, they did not want to return it unless they were obligated to return be'Dinei Adam.

Clarification: That is where you are sure like the sun that he is not at peace with you then kill him; But S'tam, don't!

Gemara Pesachim: The Gemara at the beginning of Pesachim Darshens "le'Or Yakum Rotze'ach" - if it is as clear as light to you that he is coming to kill you, then he is a murderer, and you may save the victim with his (the murderer's) life.

Explanation #1: Rashi explains there 'for example, a son who comes to kill his father or anybody else'.

Question: That is not correct however, as we see here, because the examples that he gives are considered murderers even bi'S'tam, and it does need to be as clear as light in order to kill the pursuer.

Explanation #2 (Part 1): We must therefore establish that Sugya by a father who is coming to kill his son, whom one is permitted to kill only if one knows that he hates his son and is therefore considered a murderer, and one is permitted to save the victim by killing him.

Explanation #2 (Part 2): Whereas if one is in doubt like the night, he should be in one's eyes like a Ganav, whom one is not permitted to save the victim by killing him.

Clarification: 'A Yisrael' - and not a Kuti; 'a ben-B'ris' - and not a Mumar (an apostate) who worships idolatry, because they tended to hound Mumarim who worships idolatry, to ddenigrate them and not to raise them.