R. Meir says, do you not agree to me about Kelim that were Shoves in the Chatzer, that one may carry them in the Chatzer? Why is a roof unlike a Chatzer?

Chachamim: No - if you will say [that one may carry in the Chatzer Kelim that were Shoves] in the Chatzer, which does not have residents below, will you say so about a roof [which has residents below? Just like the residents divide below, they divide above!]

R. Meir: If the Chatzer was above the roof, what is the law? (You permit carrying in the Chatzer, even though there are residents below!)

Chachamim: No - if you will say [that one may carry] in the Chatzer, where everyone does not recognize his [private] place, will you say so about a roof, where everyone recognizes his place (above his Dirah)?!

R. Meir: If the Chatzer was divided through planks [so everyone recognizes his place], what is the law?

Until here was an answer [to R. Meir's question, but they did not answer this].

(R. Yosi bei R. Bun): [Also] from here and onwards, they answered him! They told him no - if you will say [that one may carry] in the Chatzer, where the walls rise [recognizably], will you say so about a roof, where the walls do not rise [recognizably? It is not evident where is above each Dirah.]

He told them, also I hold that [walls are needed. We say Gud Asik, so a wall] below is [like a wall] above.