More Discussions for this daf
1. Zeh Neheneh 2. From Street to Field to Field 3. BUILDING A FENCE AROUND A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY
4. Zeh Neheneh v'Zeh Lo Chaser 5. Tosfos DH Zeh Ein 6. If not Me'ilah, what?
7. ha'Makif Sadeh Chaveiro 8. ha'Boneh Bayit v'Aliya me'Chadash 9. Three & four surrounding fences
10. Tosfos DH Zeh Ein 11. Zeh Neheneh v'Zeh Lo Chaser 12. Tosfos DH Zeh Ein
13. משלמת מה שנהנית 14. מקיף מד' רוחותיו 15. חצר שלא קיימא לאגרא וגברא דלא עביד למיגר
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BAVA KAMA 20

Daniel Sheinfil asks:

Bkvod Harav

1. Why don't we say that the reason why Reuven built an inside wall around Shimons field is also to prevent anyone from walking into Reuven field, by way of Shimons field, still protecting against anyone walking in from reshus harabim by way of Shimons field, and therefore Shimon is not chayiv to pay just like Shimon is not chayiv to pay for Reuven exterior fencing around the exterior perimeter of Reuven fields?

2. Why does the gemara come onto the sfara that Shimon can say I would have erected a wooden fence instead of a rock fence all the way at the end? Why doesn't the gemara bring that up earlier?

Thank you.

Kol Tuv

Daniel Sheinfil , Pomona NY USA

The Kollel replies:

Shalom Sheinfil,

1. Shimon does not have to pay for the fencing around the exterior perimeter of Reuven fields because they are not due to Shimon. Building an inside wall around Shimon's field to prevent someone from walking into Reuven's field by way of Shimon's field is still considered Chaser, because here too Reuven is viewed as building the inside wall because of Shimon.

2. The Svara that Shimon could have erected a cheaper fence justifies Shimon being Patur because he is not Neheneh. Therefore, it is appropriate to suggest in the latter portion of the Sugya, in which the Gemara attempted to prove from Rebbi Yosi that Zeh Neheneh v'Zeh Lo Chaser is Patur . But the Svara would not have been relevant in the earlier portion of the Sugya, since there the Gemara was attempting to prove from the Tana Kama that Zeh Neheneh v'Zeh Lo Chaser is Chayav .

Warmest regards,

Yishai Rasowsky