1)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that someone who is carrying the Midras of a Zav is not permitted to carry Kodesh. They forbade it on account of an incident related by Rav Yehudah Amar Rav regarding a barrel containing Kodesh wine. What happened there?

(b)The author of our Mishnah, which confines the decree to Kodesh and not to Terumah, is Rebbi Chananya ben Akavya, who argues with the Tana Kama of a Beraisa, who forbids carrying Mei Chatas or Efer Chatas even by throwing them, or handing them across a stretch of water. What about carrying them ...

1. ... whilst riding on the back of his friend or of an animal?

2. ... on foot across a bridge?

(c)What actually happened there?

(d)What does Rebbi Chananya ben Akavya say there?

1)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that someone who is carrying the Midras of a Zav is not permitted to carry Kodesh. They forbade it on account of the incident related by Rav Yehudah Amar Shmuel - in which someone was carrying an earthenware barrel of Kodesh wine when the strap of his shoe (which is a Midras ha'Zav) snapped. The man removed the strap and placed it on the lip of the barrel, from which it slipped and dangled in the air-space of the barrel (rendering the barrel, Tamei).

(b)The author of our Mishnah, which confines the decree to Kodesh (and not to Terumah), is Rebbi Chananya ben Akavya, who argues with the Tana Kama of a Beraisa, who forbids carrying Mei Chatas or Eifer Chatas even by throwing them or by handing them across a stretch of water ...

1. ... or even carrying them whilst riding on the back of his friend or of an animal -but carrying them ...

2. ... on foot across a bridge however - is permitted (since he is walking on dry land).

(c)What actually happened there was - that someone was transporting Mei Chatas and Efer Chatas across the Jordan-River by boat when a k'Zayis of corpse was discovered stuck to the bottom of the boat, rendering the Mei Chatas and the Efer Chatas Tamei.

(d)Rebbi Chananya ben Akavya rules there - that Chazal confined the decree to transporting the Mei Chatas and the Efer Chatas across the Jordan-River, and to no other case (restricting the decree to circumstances similar to those of the occurrence that caused the decree).

2)

(a)They asked a She'eilah whether the decree extends even to carrying Kodshim together with a Tahor shoe, or even to carrying Kodshim in a closed barrel together with a Tamei shoe. What is the conclusion?

(b)They also asked what the Din would be bedi'Eved if someone disregarded the prohibition and carried Kodshim in an open barrel together with the shoe of a Zav. Rebbi Ila declares the Kodshim Tamei. What does Rebbi Zeira say?

2)

(a)They asked a She'eilah whether the decree extends even to carrying Kodshim together with a Tahor shoe, or even to carrying Kodshim in a closed barrel together with a Tamei shoe - She'eilos that the Gemara makes no attempt to resolve.

(b)They also asked what the Din would be bedi'Eved if someone disregarded the prohibition and carried Kodshim in an open barrel together with the shoe of a Zav. Rebbi Ila declares the Kodshim Tamei. According to Rebbi Zeira - they remain Tahor.

3)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that vessels that were completed b'Taharah, require Tevilah for Kodesh. Why can the Mishnah not be speaking when they were completed by an Am ha'Aretz?

(b)If, on the other hand, a Chaver completed them, why should they require Tevilah?

(c)If the spittle of the Am ha'Aretz had fallen on them before they were completed, it would not render them Tamei (at that stage), whereas the Chaver would certainly be careful to prevent this from happening after their completion. So what is the Mishnah referring to?

(d)Do the vessels require Ha'arev Shemesh (to wait until nightfall after the Tevilah)?

3)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that vessels that were completed b'Taharah, require Tevilah for Kodesh. The Mishnah not be speaking when they were completed by an Am ha'Aretz - because then, the Tana would not have described them as 'Nigmarin b'Taharah'.

(b)In fact, they were completed by a Chaver, and the reason that they require Tevilah is - because of the spittle of an Am ha'Aretz that might have settled on them.

(c)If the spittle of the Am ha'Aretz had fallen on them before they were completed, it would not render them Tamei (at that stage), whereas after their completion, the Chaver would certainly be careful to prevent this from happening. The Mishnah must be referring to a case - where the spittle settled on the vessels before their completion, but that it remained wet until after they were completed (like we learned on the previous Daf).

(d)Our Mishnah requires Tevilah - but not it seems, Ha'arev Shemesh.

4)

(a)According to Rebbi Eliezer, a cane that is cut for the purpose of filling it with Mei Chatas, may be Toveled immediately and used. What does Rebbi Yehoshua say?

(b)According to Rebbi Eliezer, why does this cane require Tevilah? Who cut it?

(c)Why are we normally Metamei vessels that are used for Mei Chatas as well as the Kohen who burns it?

4)

(a)According to Rebbi Eliezer, a cane that is cut for the purpose of filling it with Mei Chatas, may be Toveled immediately and used. According to Rebbi Yehoshua - one first makes it Tamei Sheretz before Toveling it.

(b)According to Rebbi Eliezer, this cane requires Tevilah, despite the fact that it was cut by a Chaver - because of the suspicion that the spittle of an Am ha'Aretz (as we just explained in the previous question).

(c)We are normally Metamei vessels that are used for Mei Chatas as well as the Kohen who burns it - in order to Tovel them and use them for Mei Chatas without Ha'arev Shemesh. This in turn, is to counter the Tzedokim, who maintained that Mei-Chatas is forbidden to a Tevul Yom - before Ha'arev Shemesh. Chazal therefore went out of their way to demonstrate that they were wrong by initiating a Heker by Mei Chatas, a leniency that distinguished them from other Kodshim.

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5)

(a)What do we try to prove vis-a-vis our Mishnah from the fact that Rebbi Eliezer does not require Ha'arev Shemesh in the above case?

(b)We counter however with the argument 'Asuhah k'Tamei Sheretz'. What does this mean? How does it refute the proof?

(c)What is the problem with this answer from the Beraisa, which requires those who cut and Toveled the cane to Tovel?

(d)How do we amend the previous answer to accommodate this Beraisa?

5)

(a)We try to prove from the fact that Rebbi Eliezer does not require Ha'arev Shemesh in the above case - that he cannot be the author of our Mishnah, because if, like our Mishnah holds, vessels that are completed b'Taharah do not require Ha'arev Shemesh (as we proved above), then what will be the Heker demonstrating that Mei Parah is different than other Kodshim?

(b)We counter however, with the argument 'As'uhah k'Tamei Sheretz' - meaning that, even if Rebbi Eliezer were to be the author of our Mishnah, there would still be a Heker, inasmuch as Chazal gave the cane the Din of a Tamei Sheretz, to make whatever it touches a Sheni (unlike other vessels that were completed b'Taharah, which only become Pasul, but not Tamei).

(c)This creates a problem however, because of the Beraisa, which requires those who cut and Toveled the cane to Tovel - and if Chazal had given it the Din of a Tamei Sheretz, why would this be necessary? Since when is a Tamei Sheretz Metamei people!?

(d)We therefore amend the previous answer to read, not 'As'uhah k'Tamei Sheretz' - but 'As'uhah k'Tamei Mes'.

6)

(a)If we give those who cut the cane the Din of a Tamei Mes (as we just concluded), then why do they not require sprinkling with the Mei Chatas on the third and seventh days? How do we emend the previous answer still further to answer that?

(b)How does Abaye then the Tana's statement 'Me'olam Lo Chidshu Davar b'Parah? Is this not a big Chidush?

(c)What does the Tana in another Beraisa learn from the Pasuk in Metzora "v'ha'Yoshev al ha'Kli Asher Yeshev (and not "Yashav") Alav Yitma"?

6)

(a)To explain why those who cut the cane do not require sprinkling with the Mei Chatas on the third and seventh days - we emend the previous answer still further, by adding 'ba'Shevi'i she'Lo' (after the Haza'os have already been performed).

(b)Abaye explains that when the Tana says 'Me'olam Lo Chidshu Davar b'Parah' - he means with regard to introducing a new level of Tum'ah, such as Tum'as Moshav on a spade, which can never occur (unlike Tum'as Mes by a cane, which can).

(c)The Tana in another Beraisa learns from the Pasuk in Metzora "v'ha'Yoshev al ha'Kli Asher Yeshev (and not "Yashav") Alav Yitma" - that only a vessel that is designated for sitting on is subject to Tum'as Moshav, but not one which might be sat on casually, but where the person who is sitting on it might well be asked to stand up, so that it can serve its regular function.

7)

(a)We also learned in our Mishnah 'ha'Kli Metzaref Mah she'b'Socho l'Kodesh ... '. How does Rav Chanin learn this from the Pasuk in Naso "Kaf Achas Asarah Zahav Mele'ah Ketores"?

(b)The Reisha of the Mishnah in Eduyos states 'He'id Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira al Efer Chatas she'Naga ha'Tamei b'Miktzaso, she'Timei es Kulo'. Why must this be mid'Rabanan? Why can Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira not be referring to the Pasuk of Rav Chanin?

(c)What does Rav Kahana now ask on Rav Chanin from Rebbi Akiva, who, taking his cue from Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira, adds 'the So'les, the Ketores, the frankincense and the coals (on the Mizbe'ach)' to the list?

(d)What is the Chidush of these four items over and above other Korbanos?

(e)Then what makes them subject to Tum'ah in the first place?

7)

(a)We also learned in our Mishnah 'ha'Kli Metzaref Mah she'b'Socho l'Kodesh ... '. Rav Chanin learns this from the Pasuk in Naso "Kaf Achas Asarah Zahav Mele'ah Ketores" - which he interprets to mean that the spoon (which contains the Ketores) combined its contents into one entity, so that if one of them becomes Tamei, they all become Tamei.

(b)The Reisha of the Mishnah in Eduyos states 'He'id Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira al Efer Chatas she'Naga ha'Tamei b'Miktzaso, she'Timei es Kulo'. This can only be mid'Rabanan, and cannot derive from the Pasuk of Rav Chanin - because the latter refers exclusively to Kodshei Mizbe'ach, a category to which the ashes of the Parah Adumah do not belong.

(c)Rav Kahana now asks on Rav Chanin from Rebbi Akiva, who, taking his cue from Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira, adds 'the So'les, the Ketores, the frankincense and the coals (on the Mizbe'ach)' to the list - is that, seeing as Rebbi Akiva takes his cue from Rebbi Shimon ben Beseira, he clearly considers Tziruf Kli in all of these cases (including Ketores) to be only mid'Rabanan. In that case, how can Rav Chanin learn it from a Pasuk?

(d)The Chidush of these four items over and above other Korbanos - is the fact that they are subject to Tum'ah at all, seeing as they are neither food nor vessels, but raw materials, which are not normally subject to Tum'ah.

(e)The reason that they are is because of 'Chibas ha'Kodesh' (meaning that because they are Hekdesh, they have a higher status than ordinary raw materials).

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