Perek Kodshei Kodshim

1)

(a)Rebbi Yossi in our Mishnah rules that if Kodshei Kodshim are Shechted on top of the Mizbe'ach, it is ke'Ilu (as if) they have been Shechted in the north. What does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah say?

(b)Rebbi Zeira asked Rav Asi that if Rebbi Yossi considers the entire Mizbe'ach to have been on the north of the Azarah, why he then says 'ke'Ilu Nishchatu be'Tzafon'. What did he answer?

1)

(a)Rebbi Yossi in our Mishnah rules that if Kodshei Kodshim are Shechted on top of the Mizbe'ach, it is ke'Ilu (as if) they have been Shechted in the north. According to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah - the northern half of the Mize'ach is considered Tzafon, and the southern half, Darom.

(b)Rebbi Zeira asked Rav Asi that seeing as Rebbi Yossi considers the entire Mizbe'ach to have been on the north of the Azarah, why he then say 'ke'Ilu Nishchatu ba'Tzafon', to which the latter replied that - the Tana is teaching us that although the Shechitah did not take place "al Yerech ha'Mizbe'ach" (beside the Mizbe'ach), it is as if it did.

2)

(a)What do we extrapolate, regarding Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah's opinion with regard to the position of the Mizbe'ach?

(b)The problem with this is a statement made by Rav Asi himself quoting Rebbi Yochanan. What did Rebbi Yochanan, in turn quoting Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, say about Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, only on the ground?

(c)Why are they Pasul?

2)

(a)From Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah's opinion with regard to the position of the Mizbe'ach, we extrapolate that - the Mizbe'ach stood half in the northern section of the Azarah and half in the southern section.

(b)The problem with this is a statement that Rav Asi himself quoting Rebbi Yochanan, who in turn quoting Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, ruled that - if Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, only on the ground - the Korban is Pasul ...

(c)... because according to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah - the entire Mizbe'ach stood in the south of the Azarah.

3)

(a)What is now the problem?

(b)Rav Asi finally explained to Rebbi Zeira that Rebbi Yochanan based both Tana'im's opinions on the same Pasuk. How did each one explain the Pasuk in Yisro (in connection with the Mizbe'ach) "Vezavachta alav es Olosecha ve'es Shelamecha"?

(c)What prompts Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah to explain the Pasuk this way? What would be the problem if "es Olosecha" came to permit Shechting Olos anywhere on the Mizbe'ach?

(d)How will Rebbi Yossi counter this? Why does the Torah need to insert "ve'es Shelamecha" even if we already know that Olos can be Shechted anywhere on the Mizbe'ach?

3)

(a)The problem is that - the theory linking the Machlokes Tana'im to the location of the Mizbe'ach which we assumed until now, has now been disproved, since, according to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, the Mizbe'ach stood in the south of the Azarah, despite the fact that he considers the roof of the northern half of the Mizbe'ach to be Tzafon.

(b)Consequently, Rav Asi, citing Rebbi Yochanan, ascribes the Machlokes Tana'im to different interpretations of the same Pasuk. According to Rebbi Yossi, the Pasuk "Vezavachta alav es Olosecha ve'es Shelamecha" - teaches us that one is permitted to Shecht both the Olah and the Shelamim anywhere on the Mizbe'ach; whereas, according to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, it designates the northern half of the Mizbe'ach for the Olah, and the southern half for the Shelamim, in the way that we explained.

(c)What prompts Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah to explain the Pasuk this way is the fact that, if "es Olosecha" came to permit Shechting Olos anywhere on the Mizbe'ach - we would not require a Pasuk to permit Shelamim (which we learn from a Kal-va'Chomer, as we learned in the previous Perek).

(d)Rebbi Yossi will argue however - that if not for "ve'es Shelamecha", we would have considered Shechting on the Mizbe'ach a special dispensation pertaining to Olos exclusively, for which there might be a shortage of space in the Azarah, since they can only be Shechted on the north, whereas Shelamim, which can be Shechted anywhere in the Azarah, do not need it.

4)

(a)We quoted Rav Asi Amar Rebbi Yochanan, who stated that Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah concedes that if Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, but on the ground, the Korban is Pasul. Why can he not be referring to ...

1. ... the Amah Y'sod or the Amah Soveiv?

2. ... east or west of the Mizbe'ach?

(b)Nor can he be referring to tunnels that run under the Mizbe'ach, because of a Beraisa. What does the Tana there Darshen from the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li"?

(c)So how do we finally establish Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah? What does he mean when he says that if the Korban is Shechted on the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Misuthnah, b on the ground, the Korban is Pasul?

4)

(a)We quoted Rav Asi Amar Rebbi Yochanan who stated that Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah concedes that if Kodshei Kodshim that are Shechted in the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, but on the ground, the Korban is Pasul. He cannot be referring to ...

1. ... the Amah Y'sod or the Amah Soveiv - because that is considered to be on the Mizbe'ach, and not on the ground.

2. ... east or west of the Mizbe'ach - because that would negate Rav Asi's proof that, according to Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, the Mizbe'ach is situated in the south of the Azarah, because even if it was completely in the north, the Shechitah would be Pasul, seeing as in his opinion, the Shechitah must take place due north or south of the Mizbe'ach (and not to either side).

(b)Nor can Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah be referring to tunnels that run under the Mizbe'ach, because of a Beraisa, where the Tana Darshens from the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li" that - the Mizbe'ach must be firmly attached to the ground, and not stand on tunnels or archways.

(c)We finally conclude that when Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah sautys that if the Korban is Shechted on the equivalent spot to the one he refers to in the Mishnah, b on the ground, the Korban is Pasul, he means that - if they were to reduce the size of the Mizbe'ach, omitting half the north side, that space would be disqualified from bringing both Olos and Shelamim.

5)

(a)Rebbi Zeira searches for a Mishnah that will corroborate Rebbi Yochanan's statement. Which statement?

(b)To that end, he cites a Mishnah in Tamid which discusses the arrangements of wood on the Mizbe'ach. The Tana describes how the Kohen would pick high-quality fig-tree wood for the second Ma'arachah. What was the second Ma'arachah used for?

(c)From where did the Kohen pick out the wood?

(d)Why did they use specifically wood from a fig-tree?

(e)Whereabouts on the Mizbe'ach was the second Ma'arachah arranged?

5)

(a)Rebbi Zeira searches for a Mishnah that will corroborate Rebbi Yochanan's statement - that the entire Mizbe'ah was situated on the norther side of the Azarah.

(b)To that end, he cites a Mishnah in Tamid which discusses the arrangements of wood on the Mizbe'ach. The Tana describes there how the Kohen would pick high-quality fig-tree wood for the second Ma'arachah, which was used - to supply fuel for the Ketores on the Mizbe'ach ha'Penimi.

(c)The Kohen picked out the wood - from the wood-store.

(d)They used specifically wood from a fig-tree - to atone for the sin of Adam ha'Rishon, according to the opinion that hold that the tree from which he ate was a fig-tree.

(e)The second Ma'arachah was arranged on the Mizbe'ach - four Amos to the north of the south-western Keren.

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6)

(a)If the Kohen places sufficient wood to produce an estimated five Sa'ah of coals during the week, how much does he place there on Shabbos? Why is that?

(b)The specifications listed by the Beraisa tally with the opinion of Rebbi Yossi. What does he mean when, discussing things that are taken inside to place outside or vice-versa Eino Nosen Ela be'Samuch she'Ein Lif'nim?

(c)Why can things that are taken ...

1. ... inside to place outside not refer to the pouring of the Sheyarei ha'Dam of the Chata'os ha'Penimiyos?

2. ... outside to place inside not refer to the coals of Yom Kipur that are taken from on the Mizbe'ach ha'Chitzon ("me'al ha'Mizbe'ach asher Lifnei Hash-m") for the Ketores that is taken into the Kodesh Kodshim?

(d)So what is Rebbi Yossi referring to when he speaks of ...

1. ... Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim Linasen ba'Chutz?

2. ... Kol ha'Nital ba'Chutz Linasen bi'Fenim?

(e)From where do we learn the latter Halachah?

6)

(a)The Kohen places sufficient wood to produce an estimated five Sa'ah of coals during the week - but enough to produce eight Sa'ah of coals on Shabbos, because that is also where they burn the two bowls of Levonah from the Lechem ha'Panim.

(b)The specifications listed by the Beraisa tally wth the opinion of Rebbi Yossi. When, giving a Si'man for things (which will be explained immediately) that are taken inside to a place outside or vice-versa, he says Eino Nosen Ela be'Samuch she'Ein Lifenim, he means that - they place these things on the closest possible spot to the Mizbe'ach ha'Penimi.

(c)Things that are taken ...

1. ... inside to place outside cannot refer to the pouring of the Sheyarei ha'Dam of the Chata'os ha'Penimiyos - because the Torah specifically writes with regard to it "el Y'sod Mizbach ha'Olah asher Pesach Ohel Mo'ed", implying from the spot that is closest to the Heichal.

2. ... outside to place inside cannot refer to the coals of Yom Kipur that are taken from on the Mizbe'ach ha'Chitzon ("me'al ha'Mizbe'ach asher Lifnei Hash-m") for the Ketores that is taken into the Kodesh Kodshim - since there too, the Torah explicitly writes "Ve'lakach M'lo ha'Machtah Gachalei-Eish me'al Mizbe'ach mi'Lifnei Hash-m", which implies from the closest spot to the entrance of the Heichal.

(d)When Rebbi Yossi speaks of ...

1. ... Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim Linasen ba'Chutz, he is in fact, referring to - the two bowls of Levonah.

2. ... Kol ha'Nital ba'Chutz Linasen bi'Fenim - ... to the coals for the daily Ketores.

(e)We learn the latter Halachah - from the aforementioned Ketores of Yom Kipur.

7)

(a)How wide was ...

1. ... the Mizbe'ach at the Y'sod and on top respectively?

2. ... the entrance of the Heichal?

3. ... the entrance of the Ulam?

(b)How far from the south-western Keren would they have had to arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, if Rebbi Yossi had held that Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Darom Ka'i, for it to be opposite the beginning of the entrance of ...

1. ... the Heichal?

2. ... the Ulam, presuming the Ulam to have had the same Kedushah as the Heichal?

(c)And how far from the south-western Keren would they have had to arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, if Rebbi Yossi had held Chetzyo be'Tzafon ve'Chetzyo be'Darom, assuming the Ulam ...

1. ... did not have the Kedushah of the Heichal?

2. ... had the Kedushah of the Heichal?

(d)In that case, seeing as Rebbi Yossi must hold Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Tzafon Ka'i, why did they arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah as far as four Amos away from the south-western Keren? Why not closer?

7)

(a)The width of ...

1. ... the Mizbe'ach was - thirty-two Amos at the Y'sod and twenty-eight Amos on top.

2. ... the entrance of the Heichal was - ten Amos.

3. ... the entrance of the Ulam was - twenty Amos.

(b)If Rebbi Yossi had held that Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Darom Ka'i, for the Ma'arachah Sheniyah to be in line with the beginning of the entrance of ...

1. ... the Heichal - they would have had to arrange it twenty-seven Amos from the south-western Keren for it to be in line with the Ma'arachah Sheniyah ...

2. ... the Ulam, presuming the Ulam to have had the same Kedushah as the Heichal - it would have had to be twenty-two Amos away. Note, all these measurements assume the Mizbe'ach to be thirty-two Amos wide, which it was, from the base, but from the top, it was only twenty-eight Amos (as we pointed out). And the Beraisa specifically states four Amos from the Keren, which was on top.

(c)And if Rebbi Yossi had held Chetzyo be'Tzafon ve'Chetzyo be'Darom, assuming the Ulam ...

1. ... did not have the Kedushah of the Heichal, they would have had to arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah eleven Amos from the south-western Keren for it to be in line with the entrance of the Heichal, and ...

2. ... six Amos away from it, if it did.

(d)Despite the fact that Rebbi Yossi must therefore hold Kuleih Mizbe'ach be'Tzafon Ka'i, they could not arrange the Ma'arachah Sheniyah less than four Amos away from the south-western Keren - because the first four Amos of the Makom ha'Ma'arachah were taken up by the Amah of the Y'sod, the Amah of the Soveiv, the Amah of the Keren, and the Amah where the Kohanim walked, leaving one Amah still in line with the entrance of the Heichal for the Ma'arachah Sheniyah shel Ketores.

8)

(a)Rav Ada bar Ahavah establishes the Beraisa like Rebbi Yehudah, who maintains that the Mizbe'ach stood exactly in the middle of the Azarah. How many Amos were then in line with the entrance of the Heichal, and how much of it protruded on either side?

(b)How many Amos away from the edge of the Mizbe'ach should they have then arranged the Ma'arachah Sheniyah, assuming that the Ulam ...

1. ... did not possess the Kedushah of the Heichal?

2. ... possessed the Kedushah of the Heichal?

(c)Then why does the Beraisa say four Amos from the edge of the Mizbe'ach and not six?

8)

(a)Rav Ada bar Ahavah establishes the Beraisa like Rebbi Yehudah, who maintains that the Mizbe'ach stood exactly in the middle of the Azarah. In that case - ten Amos were in line with the entrance of the Heichal, and eleven Amos protruded on either side.

(b)Assuming that the Ulam ...

1. ... did not possess the Kedushah of the Heichal, they should then have arranged the Ma'arachah Sheniyah eleven Amos from the edge of the Mizbe'ach, in order for it to in line with the Heichal and ...

2. ... six Amos away if it did (as we explained according to Rebbi Yossi).

(c)The reason the Beraisa says four Amos from the edge of the Mizbe'ach and not six is - because the Tana is reckoning from the Keren, and not from the Y'sod (as we pointed out earlier).

9)

(a)We ask why we do not then establish the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi. Why should we?

(b)In that case, why indeed, do we not?

(c)But did we not establish it like Rebbi Yossi anyway, based on his Si'man 'Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim ... '?

9)

(a)We ask why we do we not then establish the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi - to refute Rebbi Zeira's proof that Rebbi Yossi holds Kol ha'Mizbe'ach be'Tzafon Ka'i.

(b)Nevertheless, we do not do so - because Rebbi Yehudah specifically holds Mizbe'ach be'Emtza Ka'i.

(c)True, we established it like Rebbi Yossi anyway, based on his Si'man Kol ha'Nital bi'Fenim ... , but the truth of the matter is that - Rebbi Yossi is merely stating clearly what everybody holds, and there is no reason to establish Rebbi Yossi as the author more than anybody else.

10)

(a)Rav Sheravya establishes the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili. What does the latter learn from the Pasuk in Pikudei "ve'es Mizbach ha'Olah Sam Pesach Mishkan Ohel Mo'ed"?

(b)In light of that, how does he explain the Pasuk there "Venasata es ha'Kiyor bein Ohel Mo'ed u'vein ha'Mizbe'ach"?

(c)Where must the Mizbe'ach have been situated, according to Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili?

(d)Then why could they not place the Kiyor beside the Mizbe'ach, north of the entrance to ...

1. ... the Heichal?

2. ... the Ulam?

10)

(a)Rav Sheravya establishes the Mishnah in Tamid like Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, who learns from the Pasuk "ve'es Mizbach ha'Olah Sam Pesach Mishkan Ohel Mo'ed" that - nothing may interrupt between the Mizbe'ach and the entrance to the Heichal.

(b)In light of that, he explains the Pasuk "Ve'nasata es ha'Kiyor bein Ohel Mo'ed u'vein ha'Mizbe'ach" to mean that - although they placed the Kiyor in the space between the two, it had to be drawn slightly to the south.

(c)According to Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, the Mizbe'ach must have been situated - entirely in the north (because had it been placed either entirely in the south, or exactly in the middle, there would not have been anywhere in between five Amos south of the entrance of the Ulam to eleven Amos south of the entrance of the Heichal (as we explained earlier) in which to place the Kiyor, without breaking the space between the Mizbe'ach and the entrance to the Heichal (or Ulam).

(d)Nor were they allowed to place the Kiyor beside the Mizbe'ach, north of the entrance to ...

1. ... the Heichal - because then it would still have interrupted between the Mizbe'ach and the Ulam (which extended five Amos further north than the Heichal (as we learned earlier).

2. ... the Ulam - because the Torah writes in Vayikra (in connection with the Shechitah of the Olas Tamid) "Tzafonah Lifnei Hash-m", indicating that the space north of the Mizbe'ach must be left empty.

11)

(a)The Tana who argues with Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili is Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov. How does Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov Darshen the Pasuk "Tzafonah"?

(b)Then where must the Mizbe'ach have been situated according to him?

(c)According to Rav Sheravya, from where do we measure the four Amos mentioned in the Mishnah in Tamid?

11)

(a)The Tana who argues with Rebbi Yossi Ha'Gelili is Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov, who Darshens the Pasuk "Tzafonah" - to mean that nothing, not even the Mizbe'ach, may be placed in the north ...

(b)... in which case, the Mizbe'ach must have been situated - entirely in the south.

(c)According to Rav Sheravya, we measure the four Amos mentioned in the Mishnah in Tamid - from the Y'sod, and not from the Keren, as we were forced to do when we established the Mishnah like Rebbi Yehudah.

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