If he was Torem and the wind scattered [the ashes], R. Yochanan and R. Chaninah argue about this;

(R. Chaninah): If a Kometz was put on the fire, and the wind scattered it, through the first bit [that burned on the Mizbe'ach - SHA'AREI TORAS ERETZ YISRAEL] the owner got Kaparah, and Me'ilah was uprooted from the Shirayim;

(R. Yochanan): It is from when the majority catches fire.

Question: What is the majority - the majority of the Kometz, or did he say the majority of every particle?

Answer (R. Chizkiyah citing R. Yonah citing R. Ba citing R. Chiyah citing R. Yochanan): He said the majority of every particle.

If he was Torem half, R. Yochanan and R. Yehoshua ben Levi argue about this;

(R. Yochanan): If one was Mekadesh a Kometz in a Kli and was Maktir it, even piecemeal, he was Yotzei;

(R. Yehoshua ben Levi): A Mishnah (Menachos 3:4) does not say so! [It says that] if he was Maktir its Kometz in two times (half each time), it is Kosher (but not in more than two times)!

(R. Chama bar Ukva citing R. Yehoshua ben Levi): A Kemitzah cannot be less than two [k']Zeisim, and Haktarah cannot be less than a k'Zayis.

Question (R. Yitzchak bei R. Elazar): If so, a Kohen whose hand does not hold two k'Zeisim, he is Pasul for Avodah (but this was not listed among Mumim! SHIREI KORBAN - R. Chama can hold that he is a midget, who was listed [or his body is disproportionably big for his hand - Bechoros 7:4 (PF).]

If he was Torem with his left hand, R. Yochanan and R. Yehudah bei Rebbi argue about this;

(R. Yochanan): If he was Mekadesh the Kometz in a Kli, he may be Maktir it, whether by hand or with a Kli, whether with his right hand or his left hand;

(R. Yehudah bei Rebbi): Either it is like [Zerikas Dam] Chatas, in his hand, or like [Zerikas] Asham, in a Kli, but it must be his right [hand].

Question (against R. Yochanan - Mishnah): If he did Kemitzah in his right hand, and put in his left hand, he returns it to his right hand;

If [when he put] in his left hand, he returns [it to his right hand, to throw from the right hand] to the Bazach (Kli), all the more so (if he took from the Bazach to his left hand, he returns it to his right hand to throw) to the Mizbe'ach!

Answer (R. La): If anyone taught this [Mishnah], R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon taught it;

(Beraisa - R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon): [The Kometz] does not need Kidush in a Bazach.

R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon holds like his father R. Shimon. A Mishnah teaches [if a Kometz was offered] without a Kli Shares, it is Pasul, and R. Shimon is Machshir.

Question: How is this (why do you say that the Mishnah is R. Elazar b'Ribi Shimon)?

Answer: Rabanan, who hold that a Kli Shares is needed, do not require the right hand. R. Shimon, who does not require a Kli Shares, requires the right hand. (We explained like SHA'AREI TORAS ERETZ YISRAEL.)

Note: The Bavli (e.g. Zevachim 11a) says that R. Shimon expounds "ka'Chatas vecha'Asham'' - if one offers a Minchah like a Chatas, with his hand, it must be with the right hand. If he offers it like an Asham, in a Kli, he may use the left hand.

(R. Mana): I am astounded. How do Rabanan compare Terumas ha'Deshen to Haktarah? It rather resembles Kemitzah (which all agree that it requires the right hand). This is Haramah (lifting off), and this is Haramah - "v'Herim''!

"V'Herim'' is only when he left a remainder. "Asher Tochal'' - Achilah is only a k'Zayis (this is the minimal Shi'ur for Terumas ha'Deshen).

Implied question: If all [the ashes on the Mizbe'ach] are only a k'Zayis, [what does he do]? You cannot take part, for it is not a k'Zayis. You cannot take all, for then there is no remainder! (This is not answered.)

One might have thought that "v'Herim Asher Tochal ha'Esh'' is [ashes from] wood! It says "Olah''. Perhaps "Olah'' teaches limbs of Olah. It says "Asher Tochal ha'Esh.'' How [does he fulfill both]? He scoops from the inner ashes, where [the limbs] were totally consumed, and descends [from the Mizbe'ach].

It is a Mitzvah that there is fire before the wood - "v'Archu Etzim Al ha'Esh.'' If he put wood before fire, or he arranged the Ma'arachah before Terumas ha'Deshen, he removes [the wood] and puts [fire], or dissembles the Ma'arachah and is Torem.

Question #1 (R. Yakov bar Acha citing Chilfai): If one put a Kometz on the night Ma'arachah (i.e. before arranging the Ma'arachah of the day), what is the law?

Question #2 (R. Yirmeyah citing Chilfai): If Eimurim were put on the night Ma'arachah, what is the law?

Objection: (These are obvious!) Do we not learn them from a Beraisa?! Nothing precedes the morning Tamid, other than the Ketores! (We arrange the Ma'arachah before the Tamid. If so, their Haktarah was before the Tamid!)

Answer: The Beraisa teaches the Mitzvah l'Chatchilah. [Chilfai] asks whether or not it is Me'akev.

Question: Is the Tzitz Meratzeh for Tum'as Yadayim (i.e. he was not Mekadesh his hands from the Kiyor)?

Question: Is [Kidush of] hands disqualified through Yotzei (if he, or alternatively his hands, left the Mikdash)?

Objection: (This is obvious!) Do we not learn this from a Beraisa?! If he was Mekadesh his hands and feet and they became Tamei, he immerses them and they are Tehorim. If he left, they are not disqualified due to Yotzei!

Answer: That [Beraisa] is like the opinion that Linah does not disqualify hands. However, here he needed to ask according to the one who says that Linah disqualifies hands.

Question: Are hands disqualified due to Mechusar Zman? (He asks according to the opinion that Linah does not disqualify hands. He was Mekadesh before dawn, for the sake of Avodah tomorrow - PNEI MOSHE.)

Answer: Do we not learn this from a Beraisa?! He was Mekadesh his hands and feet today for tomorrow's Avodah.