Question: What is Matzlif?

Answer: R. Yehudah demonstrated the motion of giving lashes.

The Haza'os (even the upper one) were not on the Kapores (only the position of his hand differentiated between the upper and lower Haza'os).

Question: How do we know that the Haza'ah was not on the Kapores itself?

Answer: From the extra "Lifnei" which modifies the "Al".

Question: Perhaps we should learn the reverse, where the "Al" modifies the "Lifnei" (and thus have the Haza'ah on the Kapores)?

Answer: Such a reversal would occupy the le'Ma'alah by Par and leave le'Matah by Sa'ir unused.

Question: How Many Haza'os le'Matah are there by Sa'ir?

Answer: By inference (using Damim) from Par le'Matah we know it is seven.

Question: Perhaps we should derive Sa'ir le'Matah from Sa'ir le'Ma'alah?

Answer: It is more logical to compare Matah to Matah.

Question: To the contrary, it is more logical to derive Sa'ir from Sa'ir!?

Answer: From "Ka'asher Asah" we learn to compare Sa'ir to Par.

Question: How Many Haza'os le'Ma'alah by Par?

Answer: "Damim" links Par to Sa'ir.

Question: Perhaps derive Par le'Ma'alah from le'Matah?

Answer: Ma'alah to Ma'alah is more logical.

Question: To the contrary...

Answer: "Ka'asher Asah".

There is a difference in the Beraisa between the counting as described by R. Meir (one and the number below) versus R. Yehudah (the number below and one).

The difference is based on each one's local counting custom.

Question: But why, according to all, must we count one the one le'Ma'alah together with each one le'Matah?

Answer: Either to prevent counting errors (R. Elazar, and the requirement is de'Rabanan) or (according to R. Yochanan) it is d'Oreisa based on "Yazeh".

Question: When will their answers differ?

Answer: In a case where he did not count the le'Ma'alah but he also did not err.

We learn from R. Yehudah that there was only one Shofar for Kinei Nedavah, and none for Kinei Chovah, to prevent mixing.

R. Yosi asserts that our concern involves mixing Chovos with Nedavos.

Question (Abaye): Make two Shofros and mark them!?

Answer: R. Yehudah must not rely on Kesivah.

The same rationale as above will apply to making only one shelf in the Heichal.

Question: But the Mishnah teaches that even according to R. Yehudah there were multiple Shofaros (and there he must rely on Kesivah)!?

Answer: The concern of mixing (and why there is no Shofar for Chovah) is (not like R. Yosi said but rather) for a Chatas whose owner may have died.

Question: But the Mishnah teaches that we do not consider such a possibility of death.

Answer: It is actually a Gezeirah lest we find out that an owner had died, and we will not know which coins are his.

Question: Then take four Zuz and cast them away!?

Answer: R. Yehudah does not rely on B'reira to permit the Isur.