SHABBOS 80 (2 Sivan) - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Harry Bernard Zuckerman, Baruch Hersh ben Yitzchak (and Miryam Toba), by his children and sons-in-law.

1)

(a)The Beraisa gives the Shi'ur for carrying wet ink which is already on the tip of a pen on Shabbos, as sufficient ink to write two letters of the alphabet. What is the Shi'ur for carrying dry ink, or ink which is still in the ink-well?

(b)Rava asks whether one will be Chayav for carrying enough to write one letter of each simultaneously. What is the answer?

2)

(a)Rava declares someone who writes two letters whilst he is walking, Chayav. What is he coming to teach us? Why might we have thought that he is not?

(b)He also rules that if he carries out sufficient ink to write one letter, writes the first one on paper, and then fetches ink for the second letter, which he then to write beside the first one, he will be Patur. Why is that?

(c)And what does Rava say about someone who carries out a half-ki'G'rogeres of food, puts it down, and then goes and carries another half-ki'G'rogeres and places it beside the first one?

(d)The problem with this ruling is obvious. How do we establish the case in order to resolve it?

3)

(a)Rava, the author of all the current statements, says with regard to the previous case, that if, instead of placing the second half-ki'G'rogeres beside the first, he passes it over the top of it, he is Chayav. How will he explain the fact that he did not make a Hanachah with the second half-G'rogeres?

(b)How do we reconcile this statement with another statement of Rava, where he said that, according to the Rabbanan, even an article which passes within three Tefachim of the ground, requires a Hanachah on something (though it does require an area that is three by three Tefachim)?

(c)The Beraisa states 'Hotzi Chatzi G'rogeres, ve'Chazar ve'Hotzi Chatzi G'rogeres, be'He'elam Echad, Chayav ... Rebbi Yossi Omer, be'He'elam Echad li'Reshus Echad, Chayav, li'Sh'tei Reshuyos, Patur'. According to Rabah, Rebbi Yossi holds that someone who carries out two half-Shiurim to two Reshuyos, is Patur, only if the Reshus ha'Yachid divides between the two Reshuyos (ha'Rabim); according to Abaye, even a Karmelis will suffice. What does Rava hold?

(d)What does Rava mean when he says 'Reshus Shabbos ki'Reshus Gitin Damya'? What is the case by Gitin?

4)

(a)Considering that most women paint both eyes, why is one Chayav for carrying out enough eye-paint to paint one?

(b)How do we then account for the statement of Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar, who says that it is only if one carries out eye-paint to use as a cure, that one is Chayav for carrying enough for one eye, but if it is to use as a cosmetic, one is only Chayav for carrying out enough to paint two eyes?

5)

(a)What is the Shiur for carrying out glue? What purpose did the glue serve?

(b)According to the text in our Mishnah, a Shiur for a broken piece of earthenware according to the Tana Kama is one that is large enough to make a hole in and cover the opening of a goldsmith's furnace. What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(c)Why is the Machlokes between the Tana Kama and Rebbi Yehudah inconsistent with their Machlokes in the previous Mishnah regarding a reed?

(d)How do we amend the opinion of Rebbi Yehudah in the current Machlokes, to conform with the previous Machlokes?

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6)

(a)What is the Shiur for carrying out ...

1. ... hair on Shabbos?

2. ... cement?

7)

(a)What does the Beraisa give as the minimum Shiur for carrying out lime on Shabbos?

(b)According to Rav Yehudah Amar Rav, that is what poor people tended to use for removing premature hair from their little daughters' bodies. What did wealthy people use?

(c)According to Rav Huna bar Chiya, kings used to use Sateches (myrrh-oil). What does Rebbi Yirmiyah bar Aba say they used?

(d)Why did a certain Nochri accuse Rav Bibi of killing his daughter? What was his mistake?

8)

(a)According to Rebbi Yehudah, the Shiur for carrying out lime is 'Kilkul', which Rav interprets as a temple-pack that a woman smears on her temples to keep her hair flat, whereas according to Rebbi Nechemyah, it is 'Undifi'. How does Rav initially interpret 'Undifi'?

(b)What do we mean when we say that according to Rav, Rebbi Yehudah's Shiur is both larger and smaller?

(c)We retract from this translation on the basis of a Beraisa, where Rebbi defines Kilkul as 'Chavut', and Andifi as 'Bitzas ha'Sid'. What does this mean?

(d)How does this clash with Rav's initial interpretation of Andifi? So Rebbi Yitzchak citing bei Rebbi Ami, interprets Undifi as 'Andifa' an earthenware wine-container with two spouts, one on top (to pour in the wine) and one, below (from which to pour out). When filling it, one blocks the lower hole - with a tiny plaster egg (According to this explanation, Rebbi Yehudah's Shiur is even smaller than Rebbi Nechemyah's). what grounds does Rav Kahana reject this explanation, too?

9)

(a)Rav Kahana finally interprets Undifi as Shenasos or Andifa Apusa. What is ...

1. ... Shenasos?

2. ... Andifa Apusa?

(b)When a certain Galilean died from a hornet sting, why did they say that it served him right?

10)

(a)According to Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah, the Shi'ur for carrying out red clay on Shabbos, is enough to seal a large commercial sack, and for manure and fine sand, enough to fertilize one cabbage-stalk. What Shiur do the Rabbanan give ...

1. ... for red clay?

2. ... for manure and fine sand?

(b)What is the Shiur for ...

1. ... thick sand?

2. ... a thin cane?

3. ... a thick or split cane with jagged edges)?

(c)What causes us to think initially that the author of our Mishnah, which gives the Shiur for thick sand as a spoonful of lime, must be Rebbi Yehudah?

(d)We conclude that the author might well be the Rabbanan, and 'Kilkulo Zehu Tikuno'. What does this mean?

11)

(a)The Beraisa gives the Shiur for a fine cane as sufficient to be able to fashion with it a quill that will reach the joints of his fingers. This might mean that it reaches the middle joint of the hand (where the finger meets the hand). What else might it mean?

(b)Our Mishnah gave the Shiur for thick sand as sufficient to cook a Beitzah Kalah ... Terufah u'Nesunah be'Ilfas'. What does the statement mean? With what is the egg mixed?

12)

(a)Why did Mar Brei de'Ravina's son think that the 'Beitzah Kalah' must be referring to the egg of a bird called 'Tziltz'la'? What is a 'Tziltz'la'?

(b)In which point does Mar Brei de'Revina disagrees with his son on this point?

(c)So how does he explain 'Beitzah Kalah'?

(d)And how do we finally reconcile this Shi'ur with the regular Shi'ur to do with food of a ki'Gerogeres?

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