1)
(a)According to Rav, a woman who sees on the fifteenth of one month, the sixteenth of the next, and the seventeenth of the next, has already fixed a Veses le'Dilug. What does he mean by that?
(b)What does Sh'muel say?
(c)On what do we initially base their Machlokes?
(d)The basis of this Machlokes is a Beraisa, where Rebbi and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel (whom we have already cited) argue over the same point. What does each one hold in a case where a woman's first husband dies, and after she remarries, her second husband dies too?
1)
(a)According to Rav, a woman who sees on the fifteenth of one month, the sixteenth of the next, and the seventeenth of the next, has already fixed a Veses le'Dilug' by which he means that - she will be forbidden on the eighteenth of the fourth month, the nineteenth of the fifth, and so on.
(b)Shmuel says that - she only fixes a Veses in this way once she sees on the eighteenth of the fourth month.
(c)Initially, we base their Machlokes on - whether a Chazakah takes place after two times (Rav) or three times (Shmuel).
(d)Rebbi and Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel (whom we have already cited) in a Beraisa, argue over the same point. In a case where a woman's first husband dies, and after she remarries, her second husband dies too - Rebbi forbids her to marry a third time; whereas Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel permits it (until a third husband dies).
2)
(a)We reject this suggestion however, establishing both opinions like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. Then what is the basis of their Machlokes? Why does Rav declare her a Ba'alas Veses after the third time?
(b)We query Rav from a Beraisa, which discusses a woman who had a Veses on the fifteenth, and who changed the next month to the sixteenth, and the following month, to the seventeenth. What does the Beraisa rule after ...
1. ... the first change?
2. ... after the second change?
(c)What will happen, if on the following month, she sees on the eighteenth?
2)
(a)We reject this suggestion however, establishing both opinions like Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. And the basis of the Machlokes between Rav and Shmuel is - whether we count the first sighting (which she did not see be'Dilug) as one of the three (Rav) or not (Shmuel).
(b)We query Rav from a Beraisa however, which discusses a woman who had a Veses on the fifteenth, and who changed the next month to the sixteenth, and the following month, to the seventeenth. The Beraisa rules that after ...
1. ... the first change, both the fifteenth and the sixteenth of the next month are Asur.
2. ... after the second change - the sixteenth becomes Mutar, and the fifteenth and seventeenth are Asur.
(c)If on the following month, she sees on the eighteenth - she will have fixed a new Veses be'Dilug starting from the eighteenth, and all the other dates are permitted.
3)
(a)How will Rav reconcile his ruling with the Beraisa, which requires a fourth time to create a Veses le'Dilug?
(b)This answer appears obvious. To what did we then attribute the Tana's allusion to the initial Veses, when we asked the Kashya?
(c)What does another Beraisa say about a woman who sees on the twenty-first of one month, the twenty-second of the next month and ...
1. ... the twenty-third of the third month?
2. ... the twenty-fourth of the third month?
(d)How will Shmuel now reconcile his opinion with the Tana, who declares a Veses le'Dilug after the third time?
(e)How do we prove this answer?
3)
(a)Rav will reconcile his ruling with the Beraisa, which requires a fourth time to create a Veses le'Dilug - by pointing out that the latter is speaking about a woman whose sightings on the fifteenth were based on a Veses (whereas he is not).
(b)This answer appears obvious. However, when we asked the Kashya, we thought that - in reality, whether she has a Veses or not, she requires three Dilugim to create a Veses, and the Tana mentioned the fact that she had a Veses - to teach us that in spite of it, she loses it after the two Dilugim that followed.
(c)Another Beraisa rules that a woman who sees on the twenty-first of one month, the twenty-second of the next month and ...
1. ... the twenty-third of the third month - has fixed a Veses.
2. ... the twenty-fourth of the third month - has not.
(d)To reconcile his opinion with the Tana, who declares a Veses le'Dilug after the third time, Shmuel will explain that - the Tana is speaking where the woman had previously been seeing on the twentieth.
(e)And we prove this answer - by pointing out that it is otherwise difficult to understand why the Tana began with the twenty-first, and not with the twentieth (a round figure which the Tana'im generally begin with).
4)
(a)What does Rav Papa comment with regard to our Mishnah's ruling, that a woman who sees less than three times on the same day does not fix a Veses?
(b)We query this however, on the grounds that we already know this from our Mishnah? Which ruling are we referring to?
(c)How do we answer the Kashya? What set of cases ...
1. ... would we know from there?
2. ... does Rav Papa come to teach us that we would not know from there?
(d)Why might we have thought otherwise?
4)
(a)With regard to our Mishnah's ruling that a woman who sees less than three times on the same day does not fix a Veses, Rav Papa comments that - she is nevertheless obligated to suspect that she might see when that day comes around.
(b)We query this however, on the grounds that we already know it from our Mishnah - where we learned that a woman who tends to see on the fifteenth, and who changes to the twentieth, is Asur on both days when they come round again.
(c)We answer that - (bearing in mind that every subsequent sighting follows the previous day of Tevilah [and not the previous sighting]) from our Mishnah we would ...
1. ... only know that we still contend with the original day if it falls during the days of Nidus (such as from the fifteenth to the twentieth, in which case the following fifteenth actually falls four days after the termination of the days of Zivus), but ...
2. ... we would not know that we do so in a case where for example, she changed from the fifteenth to the tenth, where the following fifteenth will fall still within the days of Zivus. And that is what Rav Papa is coming to teach us.
(d)We might have thought otherwise - because of the Chezkas Taharah that every woman has during the eleven days of Zivus (as we learned in the fourth Perek).
5)
(a)What does Rav Papa comment with regard to our Mishnah's ruling that a woman does not lose her Veses until she has seen three times on a different date?
(b)Here too, we ask that we already know this from the ruling in our Mishnah 'Ein ha'Ishah Kova'as lah Veses ad she'Tikba'enah Shalosh Pe'amim'. What does this prove?
(c)What do we answer? What is Rav Papa coming to teach us that we would not know from there?
5)
(a)With regard to our Mishnah's ruling that a woman does not lose her Veses until she has seen three times on a different date, Rav Papa comments that - the Tana only speaks about a case where she already had a Chazakah, but where she only saw only twice, seeing even once on a different day will suffice to uproot the first date.
(b)Here too, we ask that we already know this from the ruling in our Mishnah 'Ein ha'Ishah Kova'as Lah Veses ad she'Tikba'enah Shalosh Pe'amim' - a proof that she does not require three consecutive sightings on a different date to uproot one or even two previous sightings.
(c)And we answer that - were it not for Rav Papa, we would have thought that, even though she will not require three dofferent sightings to break the two previous ones, she will however require two.
6)
(a)In support of Rav Papa, we cite a Beraisa which discusses a woman who changed her fixed sighting from the twentieth to the thirtieth. What does the Tana say with regard to the following twentieth and thirtieth days?
(b)In a case where after her first sighting on the thirtieth day, she misses the next twentieth but sees on the thirtieth, then sees on the twentieth, misses the thirtieth and sees on the following twentieth day, what does the Tana rule regarding the next thirtieth?
(c)What have we now proved?
(d)Why does she nevertheless remain forbidden on the twentieth day? On which principle is it based?
6)
(a)In support of Rav Papa, we cite a Beraisa which discusses a woman who changed her fixed sighting from the twentieth day to the thirtieth, where the Tana rules that - the following twentieth and thirtieth days are both forbidden.
(b)The Beraisa rules that if, after her first sighting on the thirtieth day, she misses the next twentieth day but sees on the thirtieth, then sees on the twentieth, misses the thirtieth and sees on the following twentieth day - she does not need to contend with the next thirtieth day ...
(c)... despite having seen twice on the thirtieth (a proof for Rav Papa).
(d)She remains forbidden on the twentieth day however - due to the principle 'Orach bi'Zemano Ba' (her Chazakah remains intact [until it has been broken three consecutive times]).
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7)
(a)Our Mishnah compares a woman and her blood to a vine in two respects. One with regard to the fact that some vines produce red wine, and others, black (dark) wine, and so does a woman vis-a-vis her blood. In which other respect does the Tana compare them?
(b)Rebbi Yehudah adds that a vine that does produce (much) wine is called 'Durk'ti'. What does he mean by that (regarding a woman)? What does the Beraisa give the acronym of 'Durk'ti' as?
7)
(a)Our Mishnah compares a woman and her blood to a vine in two respects. One with reference to the fact that some vines produce red wine, and others, black (dark) wine, and so does a woman vis-a-vis her blood. The other - inasmuch as all women have blood of Nidus and blood of Besulim; some, a lot, others, only a little, just like vines vis-a-vis wine.
(b)Rebbi Yehudah adds that a vine that does not produce (much) wine is called 'Durk'ti' - the acronym (the Beraisa points out) of 'Dor Keti'a' (a cut off nation), which means that a woman who has little blood, will not have many children.
8)
(a)Rebbi Chiya learned another Beraisa that compares a woman's blood to yeast in a dough. What does he say?
(b)What does yet another Beraisa, quoting Rebbi Meir, say about a woman who has a lot of Dam Nidus?
8)
(a)Rebbi Chiya learned another Beraisa that compares a woman's blood to yeast in a dough, in that - blood is good for a woman, just like yeast is good for a dough.
(b)And yet another Beraisa, quoting Rebbi Meir, states that a woman who has a lot of Dam Nidus - will have a lot of children.
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9)
(a)According to Beis Shamai in our Mishnah, a girl who has not yet reached the age of Nidus has four nights. What does that mean?
(b)What do Beis Hillel say?
(c)What do Beis Shamai rule, assuming that she has reached the age of Nidus?
(d)Beis Hillel give her until Motza'ei Shabbos. Why is that? What is the significance of Motza'ei Shabbos?
(e)If she is still in her father's house, Beis Shamai allow her only the Bi'as Mitzvah. What do Beis Hillel say?
9)
(a)According to Beis Shamai in our Mishnah, a girl who has not yet reached the age of Nidus has four nights, meaning that - even if she sees blood during that period, she remains Tahor.
(b)According to Beis Hillel however - she is Tahor until the wound heals (which will be explained in the Sugya).
(c)Assuming that she has reached the age of Nidus - Beis Shamai gives her the first night only.
(d)Beis Hillel give her until Motza'ei Shabbos - four nights (since it was customary to marry on Wednesday [as we learned in Kesuvos]).
(e)If she is still in her father's house, Beis Shamai allow her only the Bi'as Mitzvah. Beis Hillel say - the entire night (even if this entails many Bi'os [see Tiferes Yisrael]).
10)
(a)On what basis does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak establish the Reisha of our Mishnah (where Beis Hillel give a girl whose time had not yet arrived to see blood, up to the time that the wound heals) even if she did have a sighting?
(b)How do we substantiate Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak's ruling?
(c)What does Shmuel mean when he interprets 'ad she'Tichyeh ha'Makah' to mean as long as their is spit to be found in her mouth on account of Tashmish?
(d)When Rav Yehudah quoting Rav told Shmuel that it means 'Kol Z'man she'Tichyeh' - the latter did not understand what he meant. What interpretation had Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak heard from Rav himself? What did Rav say about a case where she continues to see blood ...
1. ... whist sitting down but not whilst standing up?
2. ... when sitting on the grounds, but not when sitting on a cushion?
3. ... or not to see it in all of the above cases?
10)
(a)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak establishes the Reisha of our Mishnah (where Beis Hillel give a girl whose time had not yet arrived to see blood, up to the time that the wound heals) even if she did have a sighting - on the basis of the fact that the Tana does not draw a distinction in the Reisha, as he does in the Seifa.
(b)We substantiate Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak's ruling - by citing a Beraisa to the same effect.
(c)When Shmuel interprets 'ad she'Tichyeh ha'Makah' to mean 'as long as there is spit to be found in her mouth on account of Tashmish', he means - as long as bleeding accompanies each Tashmish.
(d)When Rav Yehudah quoting Rav told Shmuel that it means 'Kol Z'man she'Tichyeh' - the latter did not understand what he meant. Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak however, citing Rav himself, explained that if she continues to see blood ...
1. ... whist sitting down but not whilst standing up - the wound has not healed, and the same will apply if she continues to see it ...
2. ... when sitting on the ground, but not when sitting on a cushion. And it is only if she continues either to see blood ...
3. ... in all of the above cases or not to see it - that the wound has healed.
11)
(a)Rav maintains that, with regard to the middle case (where her time to see blood has arrived) if they are intimate by day, Beis Hillel will permit her until Motza'ei Shabbos. What does Levi say?
(b)How does each one learn his Din from the wording of Beis Hillel?
(c)According to ...
1. ... Rav, why do Beis Hillel then see fit to add 'Arba Leilos'?
2. ... Levi, why do they find it necessary to mention 'ad Motza'ei Shabbos'?
(d)Why would we otherwise have thought that the latter case is forbidden?
11)
(a)Rav maintains that, with regard to the middle case (where her time arrived to see blood) if they are intimate by day, Beis Hillel will permit her until Motza'ei Shabbos. But according to Levi - for each day that they are intimate, she loses one night.
(b)Levi extrapolates from - 'Arba Leilos' that she is permitted four Onos (either nights or days); whereas Rav extrapolatess from - 'ad Motza'ei Shabbos', that she is permitted both the nights and the days.
(c)According to ...
1. ... Rav, Beis Hillel adds 'Arba Leilos' - because it is the norm. to perform Tashmish by night, whereas according to ...
2. ... Levi, they mention 'ad Motza'ei Shabbos' - to teach us that even the Bi'ah of a Besulah is permitted on Shabbos (see Tosfos DH 'de'Shari') ...
(d)... otherwise we would have thought that it is forbidden - because, seeing as the womb is still tight, he might create a wound on Shabbos.
12)
(a)Rebbi Chanina rules that a Besulah who bleeds by the second Bi'ah but not by the first is Tamei. What does Rebbi Asi say?
(b)How does Rebbi Asi counter Rebbi Chanina's argument that had there been Dam Besulim, it would have emerged during the first Bi'ah? What was Shmuel able to do?
(c)How will Rebbi Asi counter that? Why was Shmuel different?
12)
(a)Rebbi Chanina rules that a Besulah who bleeds by the second Bi'ah but not by the first is Tamei. According to Rebbi Asi - she is Tahor.
(b)Rebbi Asi counters Rebbi Chanina's argument that had there been Dam Besulim, it would have emerged during the first Bi'ah - by suggesting that perhaps he inadvertently copied Shmuel, who was able to perform many Bi'os without causing a Besulah to bleed.
(c)Rebbi Asi counters however - by stating that Shmuel was different, inasmuch as he was a particularly agile man, and that it would be extremely rare for anybody else to emulate his example.
13)
(a)What does Rav say about a Bogeres who gets married?
(b)Rav qualifies his own ruling, by confining it to where she had not yet had a sighting. What will be the Din if she had?
13)
(a)According to Rav - we give a Bogeres who gets marries one night of Taharah.
(b)Rav qualifies his own ruling, by confining it to where she had not yet had a sighting, because if she had - she only has the Be'ilas Mitzvah, and no more (see Rashba).