More Discussions for this daf
1. The Bas Kol heard by Acher 2. Everyone Has Two Portions, One in Eden, and one in Gehennim 3. Acher
4. Tohu 5. Ben Abuya 6. Acher doing Teshuvah
7. Rebbi Meir as the Talmid of Acher 8. Zemer Yevani 9. Acher and Rebbi Meir
10. The source for Acher's heresy 11. Did Acher ever get to Gan Eden? 12. Bechirah
13. R. Yochanan & Acher
DAF DISCUSSIONS - CHAGIGAH 15

H David Levine asks:

How is it not known, "behind the, 'pargud,'" that kol shelo leshma, bo leshma?

H David Levine, Roanoke, VA USA

The Kollel replies:

Shalom R' Levine,

Great to hear from you. Excellent question!

I see that Mefarshim also grapple with this Gemara. I can share what I found with help of Mesivta:

1) Despite the apparent rejective tone of the Bas Kol, in truth, had Acher done Teshuva, he really would have been accepted. If so what did the Bas Kol mean?

a. The Bas Kol merely a prediction that ultimately he would not decide to repent (Eitz Yosef s.v. Chutz).

b. The Bas Kol was reflective of the fact that all others are actively invited to do Teshuva, whereas Acher was not (Pnei David, Ki Teitzei 3 v'Od).

2) Still, one might wonder, why was Acher informed of this very discouraging pronouncement?

a. Some suggest an astounding thought, that is, because Hash-m wanted him not to Teshuvah, since he had sinned (Eitz Yosef ibid.). I would compare this to the case the Rambam discusses in Hilchos Teshuvah 6:3.

3) However, these insights may not fully answer your question, because you are asking that the one who does Lo Lishmah should come to Lishmah.

a. I recall Gedolei Yisrael -- including Rav Yisrael Salanter -- offering the suggestion that this is only on condition that the person wants to reach a level of Lishmah. Accordingly, Acher himself may have been lacking that desire to get to an eventual Kavanah of Lishmah.

I hope this helps as a start!

Warm regards,

Yishai

H David Levine asks:

I wasn't understanding behind the, "pargud," to mean bas kol. Bas kol is prophetic, but what if pargud is just sicha b'alma?