More Discussions for this daf
1. Comparing Kidushin to Gitin 2. Through a Shtar 3. Three ways
4. Tosfos DH Hacha 5. Kesef 6. Kidushin Against A Woman's Wishes
7. Darko Shel Ish la'Chazor 8. Misas ha'Ba'al 9. Kicha Ikrei Kinyan
10. Use of Derech in Masculine and Feminine Terms 11. Kesef as Kidushin 12. Kicha Ikrei Kinyan
13. Tosfos DH I Nami 14. First Tosfos here and in Kesuvos 15. Tosfos DH I Nami
16. Parallels to Yibum and the 3 Methods 17. Who Owns the Ring 18. Kidushin 002: Tosfos DH b'Perutah
19. Derech-Davar 20. Conjunction of multiple acquisitions 21. Kidushin against a woman's will
22. Comparing the term "ha'Ishah Niknis" to "ha'Ish Mekadesh" 23. Get for Yibum 24. Eirusin
25. ha'Isha Niknes 26. Erusin vs. Nisu'in 27. Hiskadshi Li in Rashi
DAF DISCUSSIONS - KIDUSHIN 2

Mordechai Chrein asks:

Why does the Mishnah say vikoneh es atzmah baget uvmisos habaal if it's from heaven that she does

Mordechai Chrein, Cedarhurst, usa

The Kollel replies:

Sholom Rav,

Everything is from Heaven! The Mishnah says 've'koneh es atzmah', as opposed to the previous cases, where she is acquired by her husband. The fact that her husband's death was orchestrated in Heaven is immaterial.

Be'Virchas kol tuv,

Eliezer Chrysler.

Mordechai Chrein asks:

So why is the Gemara worried? When the Gemara wants the Mishnah to say Ha'ish koneh U' makneh... The Gemara says that we can't because the husband doesn't control his death it's from heaven, so why don't we say the same thing for the wife? She doesn't acquire herself, it's from heaven.

The Kollel replies:

Sholom Rav.

The fact is that, whereas the dead man is not Makneh the woman her freedom, the woman does acquire herself. As I wrote originally, the fact that this is min Ha'Shamayim is irrelevant.

Be'Virchas kol tuv.

Eliezer Chrysler.