1)

(a)Assuming that our Mishnah 'ha'Mevakeres ha'Maksheh Leiled Mechatech Eiver Eiver ... ' speaks about cutting the B'chor into limbs and feeding them all to the dogs, on whom does it pose a Kashya?

(b)How will Rav Huna therefore establish the Mishnah?

(c)What problem do we have with this from the Seifa 'Yatza Rubo, Yikaver'?

(d)So how will Rav Huna explain the Seifa?

1)

(a)Assuming that our Mishnah 'ha'Mevakeres ha'Maksheh Leiled Mechatech Eiver Eiver ... ' speaks about cutting the B'chor into limbs and feeding them all to the dogs, it poses a Kashya on Rav Huna (who holds Lemafre'a Kadosh) - according to whom the Din ought to be Yikaver.

(b)Rav Huna will therefore establish the Mishnah - where the B'chor is cut up and fed to the dogs limb by limb (as we explained in the Mishnah).

(c)The problem with this from the Seifa 'Yatza Rubo, Yikaver' is that, according to Rav Huna - the Tana should rather have taught us the Din in a case where the B'chor was cut up into limbs and left in a pile.

(d)Rav Huna will explain that - the Seifa is indeed talking in such a case, and what the Tana means is that if it is cut up and put into a pile, then it is as if the majority of the B'chor emerged in one go.

2)

(a)Rava asks whether we go after the Rov with regard to Evarim, to consider the B'chor born or not. We suggest that he is speaking about a case where the majority of the animal that emerged includes the minority of a limb (the majority of which remained inside the mother). What will the She'eilah then be?

(b)On what grounds do we reject this suggestion?

(c)Then what is the She'eilah? What is the case?

(d)How can it be permitted to cut off part of a B'chor and feed it the dogs? Why is it not considered making a blemish on Kodshim?

2)

(a)Rava asks whether we go after the Rov with regard to Evarim, to consider the B'chor born or not. We suggest that he is speaking about a case where the majority of the animal that emerged includes the minority of a limb (the majority of which remained inside the mother), in which case the She'eilah will be - whether the minority of the limb complements the half animal that emerged to make up a Rov, or does it go after its own Rov, in which case it is considered unborn and will not combine with the half animal that emerged before it.

(b)We reject this suggestion however - on the grounds that it is obvious that the section of limb will combine with the bulk of the animal rather than with its own remainder.

(c)The case must therefore be where half the B'chor emerged, including the majority of one limb, and the She'eilah is - whether the remainder of that limb is considered born, to complement the Rov, or not.

(d)It is permitted to cut off part of a B'chor and feed it the dogs (as we already learned in our Mishnah) - because as long as the majority has not yet been born, it has no Kedushah, and the Isur of making a blemish on Kodshim does not apply to it (see also Tosfos DH 'Mai La'av').

3)

(a)We try to resolve Rava's She'eilah from our Mishnah 'Yatza Rubo, harei Zeh Yikaver'. Why can we not accept this statement literally?

(b)Why can the Chidush not be that Mechatech u'Meni'ach Na'aseh ke'Mi she'Yatzta Rubo (like we explained above according to Rav Huna)?

(c)We therefore suggest that the Tana is speaking in Rava's case, and he is coming to teach us that we consider the minority of the limb that remained inside, born, resolving Rava's She'eilah. On what grounds do we reject this suggestion too? What might the Tana alternatively be coming to teach us?

3)

(a)We try to resolve Rava's She'eilah from our Mishnah 'Yatza Rubo, harei Zeh Yikaver' which cannot be taken literally - because we do not need our Mishnah to teach us the principle of Rubo ke'Kulo.

(b)The Chidush cannot be that Mechatech u'Meni'ach Na'aseh ke'Mi she'Yatzta Rubo (like we explained above according to Rav Huna) - because we only answered that in order to reconcile the Mishnah with Rav Huna, but strictly speaking, that is not what the Mishnah means (see Tif'eres Ya'akov).

(c)We therefore suggest that the Tana is speaking in Rava's case, and he is coming to teach us that we consider the minority of the limb that remained inside, born, resolving Rava's She'eilah. We reject this suggestion too however since - he might be speaking about the case that we just took for granted (where the majority of the animal that emerged includes the minority of a limb, the majority of which remained inside the mother), and the Tana is coming to teach us that the minority of that limb combines with the half animal rather than with its own majority.

4)

(a)Rava asks what the Din will be if the B'chor emerges from the womb, but after the midwife wrapped him in a creeper from a date-palm (or in a shawl [Rashi does not seem to have this case in his text]). What is Rava's She'eilah?

(b)Why should he not be considered a B'chor?

(c)He then asks what the Din will be if it is wrapped in a placenta. Why is it necessary to establish this case by the placenta of another baby, and not its own?

(d)Why does Rava find it necessary to ask this She'eilah? What makes it better than the previous one?

4)

(a)Rava asks what the Din will be if the B'chor emerges from the womb, but after the midwife wrapped him in a creeper from a date-palm (or in a shawl [Rashi does not seem to have this in his text]). Rava's She'eilah is - whether, even though the baby emerges from the womb (and not via a cut in the stomach) the creeper is not considered a Chatzitzah, and it is considered a Yotzei Dofen (a B'chor that is not born via the womb) and is not therefore considered a B'chor ...

(b)... because it is the contact with the womb that sanctifies the B'chor as it emerges.

(c)He then asks what the Din will be if it is wrapped in its placenta, which we establish by the placenta of another baby and not its own - because, since it is natural for a baby to be wrapped in its own placenta, it is obvious that it is not considered a Chatzitzah.

(d)Rava finds it necessary to ask this She'eilah - on the assumption that in the previous case, the creeper (which is not of the same species as the baby) is in fact, a Chatzitzah.

5)

(a)He then asks whether, if a woman (the owner of the animal) holds the baby to assist in its birth, it is considered a Chatzitzah. Why might it not be?

(b)Why must we establish all the She'eilos when the B'chor emerged from the womb backwards?

5)

(a)He then asks whether, if a woman (the owner of the animal [see also Tosfos DH 'Korchaso') holds the baby to assist in its birth, it is considered a Chatzitzah. Perhaps it is not, because that is the way a midwife generally gives birth, in which case it may not be considered a Chatzitzah (even assuming that the previous case are).

(b)We establish all the She'eilos where the B'chor emerges from the womb backwards - because if the head emerged first, the baby would be a B'chor, irrespective of what happens afterwards.

6)

(a)Rava then asks what the Din will be if, whilst the B'chor is still inside its mother's womb, a weasel swallows it and extracts it from the womb. On what grounds do we reject the She'eilah the way it stands?

(b)So how do we establish it?

(c)And finally, he asks what the Din will be if someone holds the mother's womb next to the womb of another animal, and the fetus moves from one to the other. What is the She'eilah there?

(d)What is the outcome of Rava's She'eilos?

6)

(a)Rava then asks what the Din will be if, whilst it is still inside its mother's womb, a weasel swallows it and extracts it from the womb. We reject the She'eilah the way it stands - because there is no reason why the weasel's mouth should not be a Chatzitzah.

(b)So we establish it - where the weasel did indeed swallow the B'chor and extract it, but it then returned it to its mother's womb and vomited it there. And the She'eilah is - since the fetus was at one stage Patur from the Bechorah, does it become Chayav again (when it emerges from the womb the second time).

(c)And finally, Rava asks what the Din will be if someone holds the mother's womb next to the womb of another animal, and the fetus moves from one to the other. The She'eilah now is - whether the second animal is not Patur from the Bechorah, when it subsequently gives birth to its own B'chor (since its womb was already opened to give birth to the first animal's B'chor).

(d)The outcome of Rava's She'eilos is - Teiku.

7)

(a)Rav Acha asks whether the baby has the Din of a B'chor, if the walls of the womb stretch and it is born without touching them. What are the two sides of the She'eilah?

(b)What does Mar bar Rav Ashi mean when he asks whether a B'chor becomes Kadosh if it is born from its mother's womb which is torn out (which obviously cannot be taken literally)?

7)

(a)Rav Acha asks whether the baby has the Din of a B'chor, if the walls of the womb stretch and it is born without touching them. He is not sure whether - the criterion is the air of the womb (which there is) or touching its walls (which it did not).

(b)When Mar bar Rav Ashi asks whether a B'chor becomes Kadosh if it is born from its mother's womb which is torn out (which obviously cannot be taken literally), he means that - it was moved back from its natural location, and the She'eilah is whether the womb sanctifies a B'chor which emerges from it even if it is not its regular location.

8)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah asked Rebbi Zeira what the Din will be with regard to Nigm'mu Koslei Beis ha'Rechem. What is the She'eilah, assuming that Nigm'mu means that the inner ...

1. ... part of the thickness of the womb's walls has been removed?

2. ... section of the womb has been removed?

(b)What was Rebbi Zeira's reaction to Rebbi Yirmiyah's She'eilah?

(c)Rebbi Zeira asked two She'eilos. One, regarding where the major section of the womb is still intact, and that is where the baby is born. What is the other She'eilah?

(d)What did he conclude?

8)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah asked Rebbi Zeira what the Din will bewith regard to Nigmemu Koslei Beis ha'Rechem'. The She'eilah, assuming that Nigmemu means that the inner ...

1. ... part of the thickness of the womb's walls has been removed, is - whether it will suffice for the B'chor to touch the remaining thickness of the wall (which under normal circumstances, it has no contact) in order to adopt Kedushas B'chor.

2. ... section of the womb has been removed is - whether it will suffice for the B'chor to touch the outer section of the womb.

(b)Rebbi Zeira's reaction to Rebbi Yirmiyah's She'eilah was that - he could learn the answer to it via a She'eilah that he himself once asked (some say from Rebbi Asi).

(c)Rebbi Zeira asked two She'eilos. One where the major section of the womb is still intact, and that is where the baby was born. The other - where the major section of the womb is broken, but where the baby is born via the part that is still intact.

(d)He concluded that - at least in the She'eilos that he asked, the baby is born via the section of the womb that is still intact. But if part of the womb is actually missing (as is the case in Rebbi Yirmiyah's She'eilah), the B'chor is definitely not Kadosh.

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9)

(a)What does our Mishnah say about a shepherd who places his hand inside the stomach of a Kasher animal and touches the dead Ubar lying inside it?

(b)The Tana Kama extends this Din to a Tamei animal. What does Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili say?

(c)The Mishnah learns the initial ruling from a Kal va'Chomer. Which Kal va'Chomer?

(d)Why can we not cite the principle of'Tum'ah Belu'ah (an absorbed Tum'ah is not Metamei) as the source?

9)

(a)Our Mishnah rules that if a shepherd places his hand inside the stomach of a Kasher animal and touches the dead Ubar lying inside it - he remains Tahor.

(b)The Tana Kama extends this Din to a Tamei animal. Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili however - declares the shepherd Tamei.

(c)The Mishnah learns the initial ruling from a Kal va'Chomer - if the mother permits its baby to be eaten (through its Shechitah) then it certainly ought to save it from Tum'as Neveilah.

(d)We cannot cite the principle of'Tum'ah Belu'ah (an absorbed Tum'ah not being Metamei) as the source - since Rebbi Akiva disagrees with the principle.

10)

(a)In the Pasuk in Shemini "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah asher hi Lachem le'Ochlah", "asher hi Lachem le'Ochlah" refers to Kasher animals. What does "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah" refer to?

(b)What does the Tana Kama learn from this Hekesh?

(c)To explain Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, what does Rebbi Yitzchak learn from the Pasuk there "ve'Chol Holech al Kapav be'Chol Chayah ha'Holeches ... "?

(d)In that case, why, according to Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili is a dead ...

1. ... Kalut in the stomach of a cow not Metamei?

2. ... cow in the stomach of a camel Metamei (even though it is not Mehalchei Kapav) Metamei?

3. ... Kalut (which is also Holech al Kapav) in the stomach of a K'lutah not Metamei?

(e)How do we know that Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili concedes to the Tana Kama in the latter case, that the fetus is not Metamei?

10)

(a)In the Pasuk in Shemini "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah asher hi Lachem le'Ochlah", "asher hi Lachem le'Ochlah" refers to Kasher animals, and "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah" - to Tamei ones.

(b)The Tana Kama learns from this Hekesh that - just as a dead Ubar inside a Tahor animal is not Metamei, so too, is a dead Ubar inside a Tamei one not Metamei either.

(c)To explain Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, Rebbi Yitzchak learns from the Pasuk there "ve'Chol Holech al Kapav be'Chol Chayah ha'Holeches ... " - that whatever walks on paws (a Tamei animal) that is inside its mother, is Metamei.

(d)According to Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, a dead ...

1. ... Kalut in the stomach of a cow is not Metamei - because, whereas the Pasuk is referring to Mehalchei Kapav inside animals that walk on four feet, this is a case of Mehalchei Arba inside animals that walk on eight feet (seeing as they have cloven hooves).

2. ... cow in the stomach of a camel Metamei (even though it is not Mehalchei Kapav) - because we include it from the 'Vav' in "ve'Chol Holech al Kapav".

3. ... Kalut (which is also Holech al Kapav) in the stomach of a Kelutah not Metamei - because, seeing as they are both Kasher, Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili will concede to the Kal va'Chomer of Rav Chisda in this case.

(e)We know that the latter case is not Metamei - because Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili stated S'tam 'u'Tehorah Tahor'.

11)

(a)On what grounds does Rav Achdevu'i bar Ami query all this, based on a dead Chazir in the stomach of a Chazirta?

(b)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore learns Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili's ruling from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Nefesh ki Siga be'Chol Tamei O be'Nivlas Chayah Teme'ah O be'Nivlas Beheimah Teme'ah O be'Nivlas Sheretz Tamei". What problem do we have with the words "Beheimah Teme'ah"?

(c)How does he therefore establish the Pasuk, according to Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili?

(d)Seeing as we now learn Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili's Din from Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, why do we need Rebbi Yitzchak's D'rashah ("ve'Chol Holech al Kapav")?

11)

(a)Rav Achdevu'i bar Ami queries all this, based on the Din of a dead Chazir in the stomach of a Chazirta - which we know is Metamei, but which ought to be Tahor, seeing as it is a case of Holech al Shemonah be'Mehalchei Shemonah.

(b)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore learns Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili's ruling from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Nefesh ki Siga be'Chol Tamei O be'Nivlas Chayah Teme'ah O be'Nivlas Beheimah Teme'ah O be'Nivlas Sheretz Tamei". The problem with the words "Beheimah Teme'ah" is that - seeing as the Pasuk is talking about a Neveilah, what difference does it make whether it is a Tamei animal or a Tahor one?

(c)He therefore establishes the Pasuk - by a dead Ubar inside a live animal, which is Tamei if it is inside a Tamei animal, but Tahor if it is inside a Tahor one, like Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili.

(d)Even though we now learn Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili's Din from Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, we still need Rebbi Yitzchak's D'rashah ("ve'Chol Holech al Kapav") without which we would use "Beheimah Teme'ah" solely for the Gezeirah-Shavah that Rebbi (on the next Amud) will learn from it, because Beheimah is already included in "Chayah".

12)

(a)What did Rebbi Yonasan comment to ben Azai? Of the Neveilos of the four animals, Beheimah Tehorah and Teme'ah, Chayah Tehorah and Teme'ah, which one has no specific Pasuk to teach us that its Neveilah is Metamei?

(b)On what grounds did he refute ben Azai's reply, when he quoted him the Pasuk in Shemini "Kol Holech al Kapav, be'Chol ha'Chayah ha'Holeches ... ha'Noge'a be'Nivlasah, Yitma"?

(c)What did Rebbi Yonasan reply, when ben Azai asked him what Rebbi Yishmael said in this regard?

(d)What else did Rebbi Yonasan cite Rebbi Yishmael as saying?

(e)What did ben Azai then lament about himself?

12)

(a)Rebbi Yonasan commented to ben Azai that, even though we have explicit Pesukim to teach us that the Neveilos of a Beheimah Tehorah, a Beheimah Teme'ah and a Chayah Teme'ah are Metamei - there is no such Pasuk to teach us this with regard to the Neveilah of a Chayah Teme'ah.

(b)He refuted ben Azai's reply, when he quoted the Pasuk in Shemini "Kol Holech al Kapav, be'Chol ha'Chayah ha'Holeches ... ha'Noge'a be'Nivlasah, Yitma" - because that Pasuk is referring to a dead Ubar in the stomach of a Tamei animal (as we learned earlier, as is inherent in the 'Beis' of "be'Chol Chayah").

(c)When ben Azai asked Rebbi Yonasan what Rebbi Yishmael said in this regard, he replied - with the principle that Chayah is included in Beheimah. Consequently, since the Neveilah of a Beheimah Tehorah is Metamei, so is that of a Chayah Tehorah.

(d)Rebbi Yonasan also cited Rebbi Yishmael as saying that - Beheimah is included in Chayah (where it is needed). And he went on to elaborate: 'Chayah Tehorah is included in Beheimah Tehorah, and Chayah Teme'ah in Beheimah Teme'ah, Beheimah Teme'ah is included in Chayah Teme'ah and Beheimah Tehorah in Chayah Tehorah'.

(e)When ben Azai heard this from Rebbi Yonasan, he lamented - 'What a pity, ben Azai, that you did not learn by Rebbi Yishmael'.

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