1)
(a)We just cited Rami bar Chama's Kashya on our Mishnah, where the owner grants the Shomer the right to the Kefel, even though it appears to be a 'Davar she'Lo Ba le'Olam', which is not acquirable. How does Rava initially answer the Kashya? When does the owner actually 'give' the Shomer the Kefel?
(b)What problem does Rebbi Zeira then have with the shearings and the babies?
(c)How do we know that he doesn't take them?
(d)So he amends Rava's answer, adding 'Chutz mi'Gizosehah u'V'ladosehah'. How does he justify this distinction between the Kefel itself and the Gizos and V'lados?
1)
(a)To answer Rami bar Chama's Kashya on our Mishnah, where the owner grants the Shomer the right to the Kefel, even though it appears to be a 'Davar she'Lo Ba le'Olam', which is not acquirable, Rava explains that it is not a matter of granting the Shomer the rights to the Kefel, but of being Makneh him the cow itself, which the Sho'el acquires retroactively from the time of the Kinyan, should the cow get stolen and he agrees to pay.
(b)The problem that Rebbi Zeira has with this is why the Shomer does not also then take the shearings and the babies retroactively too?
(c)We know that he doesn't because the Beraisa explicitly says so.
(d)So he amends Rava's answer, adding 'Chutz mi'Gizosehah u'V'ladosehah' justifying this distinction by pointing out that it is normal for the owner to grant the Shomer the external benefits, but not the intrinsic ones.
2)
(a)What is the second version of Rava's answer?
(b)Beside the fact that it dispenses with Rebbi Zeira's Kashya, what other change does the second version create?
(c)Why is the initial Meshichah that he made when receiving the cow for safeguarding not good enough?
2)
(a)The second version of Rava's answer is that the owner is Makneh the cow to the Shomer, not retroactively, but from the moment before it is stolen.
(b)Beside the fact that it dispenses with Rebbi Zeira's Kashya, the other difference between the two versions is if at that crucial moment, the animal is standing in a public meadow, in which case the Shomer will not acquire it.
(c)The initial Meshichah that he made when receiving the cow for safeguarding is not good enough because we have already learned in Kesuvos that a Kinyan that is made either takes place immediately or not at all.
3)
(a)What does Rebbi Chiya bar Aba quoting Rebbi Yochanan about a case where the Shomer expresses his willingness to pay, but, before he has actually had a chance to do so, the Ganav is found?
(b)Why is the Reisha of our Mishnah 'Shilem ve'Lo Ratzah Lishava ... ' not a proof that he has to actually pay?
(c)What does the Beraisa say about a Socher who admits that the Pikadon was stolen (and who therefore has to pay) rather than swear that an Oneis occurred?
(d)What do we achieve by citing this Beraisa?
3)
(a)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba quoting Rebbi Yochanan teaches us that the Shomer expresses his willingness to pay, but, before he has actually had a chance to do so, the Ganav is found the owner is nevertheless Makneh the Kefel to him.
(b)The Reisha of our Mishnah 'Shalom ve'Lo Ratzah Lishava ... ' is not a proof that he has to actually pay because the Seifa 'Nishba ve'Lo Ratzah Leshalem ... ' implies the exact opposite. So we ignore the two contradictory inferences.
(c)The Beraisa rules that if a Socher admits that the Pikadon was stolen (and who therefore has to pay) rather than swear that an Oneis occurred- receives the Kefel ...
(d)... corroborating Rebbi Yochanan's ruling.
4)
(a)What does Rav Papa say about ...
1. ... a Shomer Chinam who admits that he was negligent?
2. ... a Shomer Sachar who admits that the Pikadon was stolen?
3. ... a Sho'el who offers to pay?
(b)Why does he not receive the Kefel, seeing as he could have claimed 'Meisah Machmas Melachah' (that it died naturally due to regular work)?
(c)What does Rav Papa say in the second Lashon?
(d)On what grounds does Rav Z'vid quoting Abaye maintain that the owner does not grant a Sho'el the Kefel until he has actually paid?
4)
(a)Rav Papa rules that ...
1. ... a Shomer Chinam who admits that he was negligent receives the Kefel, since he could have claimed that the Pikadon was stolen.
2. ... a Shomer Sachar who admits that the Pikadon was stolen receives the Kefel, because he could have claimed that it died an accidental death.
3. ... a Sho'el who offers to pay does not receive the Kefel, since there is no alternative claim by which he could have exempted himself from paying.
(b)Granted, he could have claimed 'Meisah Machmas Melachah' (that it died naturally due to regular work) but 'Meisah Machmas Melachah' is an uncommon (in which case the owner does not consider it an alternative, and does not feel grateful to the Sho'el for not claiming it).
(c)In the second Lashon, Rav Papa says that the Sho'el receives the Kefel since he could have claimed 'Meisah Machmas Melachah'.
(d)Rav Z'vid quoting Abaye maintains that the owner does not grant a Sho'el the Kefel unless he actually pays due to the fact that the latter already has all the benefits, whereas he (the owner) gains nothing.
5)
(a)What do we prove from the Beraisa 'ha'Sho'el Parah me'Chavero ve'Nignevah, ve'Kidam ha'Sho'el ve'Shilem ve' ... Nimtza ha'Ganav, Meshalem ... Kefel le'Sho'el'?
(b)This Beraisa certainly poses no problem with the first Lashon of Rav Papa (see Tosfos DH 'le'Lishna'). What is the problem with the second?
(c)How do we refute the suggestion that ...
1. ... just like our Mishnah says 'Shilem', yet we interpret it to mean 'Amar', so too can we interpret the Beraisa in the same way?
2. ... the change in Lashon does not prove anything, since the Beraisos may have been learned by two different Tana'im (one of whom uses the Lashon 'Shilem', the other, 'Kidem ve'Shilem')?
5)
(a)The Beraisa 'ha'Sho'el Parah me'Chaveiro ve'Nignevah, ve'Kidam ha'Sho'el ve'Shilem ve' ... Nimtza ha'Ganav, Meshalem ... Kefel le'Sho'el' corroborates the opinion of Rav Z'vid (that it is only if the Sho'el has actually paid that the owner grants him the Kefel).
(b)This Beraisa certainly poses no problem with the first Lashon of Rav Papa (see Tosfos DH 'le'Lishna'). The problem with the second Lashon is that Rav Papa grants the Sho'el the Kefel. whereas the Beraisa says 'Kidem ve'Shilem'.
(c)We refute the suggestion that ...
1. ... just like our Mishnah says 'Shalom', yet we interpret it to mean 'Amar', so too can we interpret the Beraisa in the same way on the grounds that since the Beraisa changes from the Lashon of our Mishnah adding 've'Kidem', it implies that the Sho'el actually has to pay before the owner will grant him the Kefel.
2. ... the change in Lashon does not prove anything, since the Beraisos may have been learned by two different Tana'im (one of whom uses the Lashon 'Shalom', the other 'Kidem ve'Shilem' because the Chachamim in the Batei Medrash of Rebbi Chiya and Rebbi Oshaya (the greatest authorities on Beraisos) both testified that the Beraisa was learned together with our Mishnah.
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6)
(a)The Halachah in the case of a Shomer who first denies liability, and then admits that he is Chayav is clear-cut. What is it? Does he receive the Kefel or not?
(b)What She'eilah do we ask in the reverse case? Why might he receive the Kefel even though he currently denies liability?
(c)We ask what the Din will be if, after the Shomer admitted that he is Chayav, he dies and his sons deny liability. What is the She'eilah?
(d)How does it reflect on the previous one?
(e)On the assumption that the sons really mean to retract, what She'eilah do we ask next?
6)
(a)If a Shomer first denies liability, and then admits that he is Chayav is clear-cut he receives the Kefel (since he has undoubtedly retracted from his original stance).
(b)In the reverse case however, we think that he might receive the Kefel even though he currently denies liability because of the possibility that he really abides by his initial admission, and is only stalling for time (until he obtains money with which to pay).
(c)We ask whether, if, after the Shomer admitted that he is Chayav, he dies and his sons deny liability they mean to retract or whether, they too are only stalling for time ...
(d)... a She'eilah which only makes sense if, in the previous one, we conclude that he is only stalling for time.
(e)On the assumption that the sons really mean to retract we ask whether the owner is willing to grant them the Kefel if they actually paid (bearing in mind that they are not the ones who did him the favor of looking after his Pikadon).
7)
(a)And what She'eilah do we ask in a case where the owner died, and the Shomer paid (or agreed to pay) his sons?
(b)Assuming that, in these two cases, the owner or his son is Makneh the Kefel, what do we ask next? Why might the Din here differ from the previous cases?
(c)We ask whether, if a Sho'el paid half the animal, he receives half the Kefel. What must we assume in that case, when we then go on to ask what the Din will be if he paid for one of two animals? Why might the Din in this case be different than the previous one?
(d)What do we then ask about ...
1. ... a Sho'el who paid one of the joint owners his half?
2. ... one of the joint borrowers who paid the owner for his half?
7)
(a)In a case where the owner died, and the Shomer paid (or agreed to pay) his sons, we ask whether the sons are willing to pay the Kefel to the Shomer who, when all's said and done did not do them any favors.
(b)Assuming that, in these two cases, the owner or his son is Makneh the Kefel (where at least a favor was performed either by the Shomer's father to the owner, or by the Shomer to the current owner's father) whether, in a case where both original players have died, the sons will also be Makneh the Kefel to the sons (seeing as the one did not perform any favors and the other did not receive any).
(c)We ask whether, if a Sho'el paid half the animal, he receives half the Kefel. We then go on to ask what the Din will be if he paid for one of two animals assuming that in the previous case, the owner would not be Makneh the Kefel, because he did not receive payment for a complete article.
(d)We then ask whether, if ...
1. ... a Sho'el paid one of the joint owners his half he receives half the Kefel, seeing as he paid that owner in full; or whether he only receives the Kefel when he pays for the entire object.
2. ... one of the joint borrowers paid the owner for his half he receives half the Kefel, seeing as he paid for his full portion; or whether he only receives the Kefel when he has paid for the entire object.
8)
(a)Finally, we ask what the Din will be if someone borrowed a cow of Nichsei Milug belonging to a woman from her husband, and pays the husband, or if a woman borrowed a cow to plow her Nichsei Milug, and her husband pays. What is the ...
1. ... first She'eilah? Why might the Sho'el receive or not receive the Kefel if the Ganav is found?
2. ... second She'eilah?
(b)What is the outcome of all these She'eilos?
8)
(a)Finally, we ask what the Din will be if someone borrowed a cow of Nichsei Milug from a woman and pays the husband, or if a woman borrowed a cow to plow her Nichsei Milug and her husband pays. The ...
1. ... first She'eilah is whether or not, he receives the Kefel if the Ganav is found seeing as, on the one hand, the Keren does not belong to the husband, it is not considered a proper payment (see Tosfos and Shitah Mekubetzes); whereas on the other, since Chazal placed a woman's property in the charge of her husband, it is as if he is the owner.
2. ... second She'eilah is whether the husband paying is as if his wife had paid.
(b)The outcome of all these She'eilos is Teiku ('Tishbi Yetaretz Kushyos ve'Iba'yos').
9)
(a)What does Rav Huna say in all of the cases where the Shomer volunteers to pay?
(b)In a case where the creditor loses the security he received against the loan and claims that the loan was a Sela, and the security was worth a Shekel (half a Sela), what does the Mishnah rule if the debtor counters that it was worth ...
1. ... a Sela, and that he therefore owes him nothing?
2. ... three Dinrim and he owes him only one Dinar?
(c)And what does the Tana say in a case where the debtor claims that the security was worth two Sela'im (in which case it is the creditor who owes him a Sela), and the creditor counters that it was worth only ...
1. ... one, and that they are quits?
2. ... five Dinrim and that he therefore owes him only one Dinar?
(d)What sort of a Shomer does this Tana consider a creditor to be vis-a-vis the security?
9)
(a)In all of the cases where the Shomer volunteers to pay Rav Huna obligates him to swear that he doesn't have the object in his possession, because we suspect that he may have taken a fancy to it (and doesn't mind paying).
(b)In a case where the creditor loses the security he received against the loan and claims that the loan was a Sela, and the security was worth a Shekel (half a Sela), if the debtor counters that it was worth ...
1. ... a Sela, and that he therefore owes him nothing the Mishnah rules that debtor is Patur from a Shevu'ah (Kofer ba'Kol).
2. ... three Dinrim and he owes him one Dinar the Mishnah rules that he is Chayav a Shevu'ah (Modesh be'Miktzas).
(c)And in a case where the debtor claims that the security was worth two Sela'im (in which case it is the creditor who owes him a Sela), and the creditor counters that it was worth only ...
1. ... one, and that they are quits the Tana rules that the creditor is Patur.
2. ... five Dinrim and that he therefore owes him only one Dinar he rules that he pays him the Dinar and swears on the rest.
(d)This Tana considers a creditor vis-a-vis the security to be a Shomer Sachar (who is Chayav for Geneivah va'Aveidah).
10)
(a)The Mishnah concludes that it is the creditor who swears how much the security is worth, and not the debtor. What reason does the Tana give for that?
(b)Why can this final statement not refer to the (Seifa of the) Seifa?
(c)Then to which case does it refer?
(d)What Kashya does this pose on Rav Huna?
10)
(a)The Mishnah concludes that it is the creditor who swears how much the security is worth, and not the debtor to eliminate the possibility of the debtor swearing, and the creditor producing the security to prove that he swore falsely.
(b)This final statement cannot refer to the (Seifa of the) Seifa because there it is the creditor who is denying the debtor's claim and who is therefore the one to have to swear anyway.
(c)It therefore refers to (the Seifa of) the Reisha.
(d)This poses a Kashya on Rav Huna who has just ruled that the creditor has to swear that the security is not in his possession (so how can he possibly produce it)?