1)
(a)The Beraisa quoting Rebbi Meir, obligates the owner to pay, if his jug broke or his camel slipped and fell, and he left them lying there. What do the Chachamim say?
(b)In which case ...
1. ... will the Chachamim concede to Rebbi Meir that he is Chayav?
2. ... will Rebbi Meir concede to the Chachamim that he is Patur?
(c)Having proved that Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim cannot possibly be arguing over a Bor that was made b'Ones, how does Abaye interpret 'Niskaven' (of Rebbi Yehudah)?
(d)What is the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabanan concerning ...
1. ... Sha'as Nefilah?
2. ... Achar Nefilah?
(e)Which other Tana'im are involved in the same Machlokes later (in the fifth Perek)?
1)
(a)The Beraisa quoting Rebbi Meir, obligates the owner to pay, if his jug broke or his camel slipped and fell, and he left them lying there. According to the Chachamim he is 'Chayav b'Dinei Shamayim, but Patur b'Dinei Adam' (meaning that he is morally obligated to pay, but Beis-Din cannot force him to do so).
(b)If the owner placed his stone on the roof and they are blown down by
1. ... a regular wind the Chachamim will concede to Rebbi Meir that he is Chayav.
2. ... an irregular wind Rebbi Meir will concede to the Chachamim that he is Patur (since that is an Ones).
(c)Having proved that Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim cannot possibly be arguing over a Bor that was made b'Ones, Abaye interprets 'Niskaven' (of Rebbi Yehudah) to mean that he intended to lower the water-jug from his shoulders.
(d)The Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Rabanan concerning ...
1. ... Sha'as Nefilah is whether Niskal is Poshe'a (someone who trips or whose article falls in this manner is negligent Rebbi Meir), or not (Rebbi Yehudah, because he considers him an Ones).
2. ... Achar Nefilah is based on the assumption that the Mazik in our Mishnah declared his water and broken jar Hefker. Rebbi Meir holds that the Bor of which the Torah speaks is a Bor in the Reshus ha'Rabim, which is ownerless (in which case the Mazik will be Chayav in our case too); whereas Rebbi Yehudah holds that the Bor of the Torah is one where the owner declared his Reshus Hefker but not his Bor (because otherwise, he will not be the owner and will not be Chayav). In our case too, seeing as neither the Reshus nor the 'Bor' belong to the Mazik, he will be Patur.
(e)The other Tana'im involved in the same Machlokes later (in Shor she'Nagach Es ha'Parah) are Rebbi Yishmael (like Rebbi Meir) and Rebbi Akiva (like Rebbi Yehudah).
2)
(a)How does Abaye extrapolate from the Mishnah itself that Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah are involved in a double Machlokes?
(b)What does the fact that they are, prompt us to say about the Beraisa ('Nishberah Kado v'Lo Silko ... Nafal Gamlo v'Lo He'emido')?
(c)Seeing as the Beraisa too, refers to a double Machlokes, which of the four cases do we have difficulty in establishing?
2)
(a)Abaye extrapolates from the Mishnah itself that Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah are involved in a double Machlokes from the fact that the Tana presents two cases, 'Huchlak Echad ba'Mayim' (be'Sha'as Nefilah) 'O she'Lakah b'Charasis' (le'Achar Nefilah).
(b)The fact that they are prompts us to say that the Beraisa ('Nishberah Kado v'Lo Silko ... Nafal Gamlo v'Lo He'emido') also deals with a double Machlokes (though we cannot deduce this from the twin cases presented there see Tosfos DH 'mi'de'Masnisin').
(c)Seeing as the Beraisa too, refers to a double Machlokes, the case that we have difficulty in establishing is that of the camel that damaged whilst it fell, because we cannot understand how Rebbi Meir can consider the owner negligent when his camel falls.
3)
(a)Rav Acha tries to establish the Mishnah when the owner leeds his camel in an area where the river covers the path, so that the camel cannot see where it is going. What problem do we have with this explanation?
(b)So how do we finally establish the case?
(c)And how do Rav Yosef and Rav Ashi explain the 'Miskaven' of Rebbi Yehudah in the case of l'Achar Nefilah?
3)
(a)Rav Acha tries to establish the Mishnah when the owner leeds his camel in an area where the river covers the path, so that the camel cannot see where it is going. The problem with this explanation is that there is no room for Machlokes, since, if there is an alternative route, then everyone will agree that the owner is negligent, and if there is not, then everyone will to agree that he is an Ones.
(b)We finally establish our Mishnah where the owner tripped and pulled his camel down with him.
(c)Rav Yosef and Rav Ashi explain the 'Miskaven' of Rebbi Yehudah in the case of l'Achar Nefilah to mean that the owner had the express intention of retaining ownership of his water and broken pieces of earthenware (to preclude where he declared them Hefker, in which case he will be Patur).
4)
(a)Initially, when Rebbi Elazar says 'be'Sha'as Nefilah Machlokes', we think that he is coming to restrict the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah to Sha'as Nefilah. What is wrong with saying that l'Achar Nefilah ...
1. ... Rebbi Meir concedes that he is Patur?
2. ... Rebbi Yehudah concedes that he is Chayav?
(b)So what does Rebbi Elazar really mean?
4)
(a)Initially, when Rebbi Elazar says 'be'Sha'as Nefilah Machlokes', we think that he is coming to restrict the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yehudah to Sha'as Nefilah. What is wrong with saying that l'Achar Nefilah ...
1. ... Rebbi Meir will concede that the Mazik is Patur is that Rebbi Meir himself specifically obligates him to pay in the Beraisa that we discussed earlier.
2. ... Rebbi Yehudah concedes that he will be Chayav is that in the same Beraisa, the Chachamim (which is synonymous with Rebbi Yehudah) declare him Patur.
(b)What Rebbi Elazar therefore means is 'Af b'Sha'as Nefilah Machlokes' (like Abaye).
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5)
(a)Rebbi Yochanan says 'le'Achar Nefilah Machlokes'. Apart from the Beraisa that we discussed earlier, why can we not understand this to mean that b'Sha'as Nefilah ...
1. ... Rebbi Meir concedes that the Mazik is Patur?
2. ... Rebbi Yehudah concedes that he is Chayav?
(b)Then what does Rebbi Yochanan mean? What can we extrapolate from the Lashon 'le'Achar Nefilah Machlokes'?
5)
(a)Rebbi Yochanan says 'le'Achar Nefilah Machlokes'. Apart from the Beraisa that we discussed earlier, we cannot understand this to mean that b'Sha'as Nefilah ...
1. ... Rebbi Meir concedes that the Mazik is Patur because Rebbi Yochanan himself will say later that the author of the Mishnah of two potters is Rebbi Meir, who holds that someone who trips is considered negligent.
2. ... Rebbi Yehudah concedes that he is Chayav because Rebbi Yochanan's statement later 'Do not establish the Mishnah like Rebbi Meir, who holds 'Niskal Poshe'a' implies that the Rabanan (Rebbi Yehudah) holds that Niskal is an Ones.
(b)What Rebbi Yochanan therefore means when he says 'le'Achar Nefilah Machlokes' is that they only argue in a case where the owner declares his article Hefker after it actually fell (b'Ones), but not if he threw it down (be'Peshi'ah), in which case Hefker will not help to absolve him from having to pay, even according to Rebbi Yehudah.
6)
(a)As we have just seen, Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Elazar argue over Mafkir Nezakav Achar Nefilah. We reject the proposal that the one who says Chayav holds like Rebbi Meir, and the one who says Patur, like Rebbi Yehudah. Then what is the basis of their Machlokes? According to which Tana ...
1. ... do they argue?
2. ... do they agree?
(b)What does Rebbi Elazar say in the name of Rebbi Yishmael? What does he say about a Bor in the Reshus ha'Rabim and Chametz on Pesach?
(c)What do we try to prove from here?
6)
(a)As we have just seen, Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Elazar argue over Mafkir Nezakav Achar Nefilah. We reject the proposal that the one who says Chayav holds like Rebbi Meir, and the one who says Patur, like Rebbi Yehudah. In fact, they ...
1. ... do not argue in Rebbi Meir according to whom the Mazik is definitely Chayav even after Nefilas Ones.
2. ... argue in the Chachamim whether they exempt Mafkir Nezakav after Nefilas Peshi'ah or not.
(b)Rebbi Elazar says in the name of Rebbi Yishmael that a Bor in the Reshus ha'Rabim and Chametz on Pesach are considered to be in the Reshus of the 'owner' (to be Chayav and to transgress, respectively) even though they are really Hefker.
(c)We try to prove from here that Rebbi Elazar is the one to say that Mafkir Nezakav is Chayav.
7)
(a)We refute the previous suggestion from a statement of Rebbi Elazar. What does Rebbi Elazar comment on the Mishnah later 'ha'Hofech Es ha'Galal bi'Reshus ha'Rabim, v'Huzak Bahen Acher, Chayav b'Nizko'?
(b)What does this now prove?
(c)Rav Ada bar Ahavah tries to resolve the discrepancy (in Rebbi Elazar) by establishing the Mishnah where he replaced the manure, because then, he argues, it is as if he did not create the Bor. What Mashal did Ravina present to illustrate this?
(d)Mar Zutra Brei d'Rav Mari disagrees. This case is worse he says, because when he picks up the manure, the original pit no longer exists. What Mashal did he present to prove his point?
7)
(a)We refute the previous suggestion however, from a statement of Rebbi Elazar, who establishes the Mishnah later 'ha'Hofech Es ha'Galal bi'Reshus ha'Rabim, v'Huzak Bahen Acher, Chayav b'Nizko' where he intended to acquire the manure, but not otherwise ...
(b)... proving that Rebbi Elazar holds 'Mafkir Nezakav, Patur' (and this conforms with the final outcome of the Sugya).
(c)Rav Ada bar Ahavah tries to resolve the discrepancy (in Rebbi Elazar) by establishing the Mishnah when he replaced the manure, because then, he argues, it is as if he did not create the Bor. Ravina illustrates this with a Mashal of someone who found an open pit, covered it and opened it again.
(d)Mar Zutra Brei d'Rav Mari disagrees. This case is worse he says, because the moment he picks up the manure, the original pit no longer exists. And he proves his point by comparing it to someone who found an open pit, filled it in and re-dug it.
8)
(a)In any event, we are left with a discrepancy in Rebbi Elazar. How does Rav Ashi now establish the Mishnah (of 'ha'Hofech Es ha'Galal') in order to reconcile Rebbi Elazar's statement there with his other statement where he holds 'Mafkir Nezakav, Chayav'?
(b)Despite the fact that he did not lift up the manure three Tefachim, he is subsequently Chayav if someone hurts himself on it, because by picking it up, he acquired it, in which case, it was his manure that did the damage. How does one acquire something, if one does not lift it up three Tefachim?
(c)What prompts Rebbi Elazar to establish the Mishnah where he did not lift up the manure three Tefachim (forcing him to add that he specifically intended to acquire it)? Why does he not establish it when he lifted it up more than three Tefachim, in which case he will be Chayav even if he did not intend to acquire it?
(d)How must we therefore establish Rebbi Yochanan with regard to Mafkir Nezakav?
8)
(a)In any event, we are left with a discrepancy in Rebbi Elazar. In order to reconcile Rebbi Elazar's statement there with his other statement where he holds 'Mafkir Nezakav Chayav', Rav Ashi establishes the Mishnah (of 'ha'Hofech Es ha'Galal'), Rav Ashi establishes the Mishnah where the Mazik picked up the manure less than three Tefachim (in which case, it is as if he has not moved it at all).
(b)Despite the fact that he did not lift up the manure three Tefachim, he is subsequently Chayav if someone hurts himself on it, because by picking it up, he acquired it, in which case, it was his manure that did the damage. One acquires something, even if one does not lift it up three Tefachim either by lifting it up one Tefach, or according to others, one Hefker by merely looking at it.
(c)What prompts Rebbi Elazar to establish the Mishnah when he did not lift up the manure three Tefachim (forcing him to add that he specifically intended to acquire it), rather than establish it when he lifted it up more than three Tefachim (in which case he will be Chayav even if he did not) is the fact that the Tana speaks about someone who turns over manure, and not someone who lifts it up.
(d)Rebbi Yochanan must therefore hold 'Mafkir Nezakav, Patur'.
9)
(a)What does our Mishnah say about someone who hides a thorn or a piece of glass in the street or who makes a fence of thorns bordering the street?
(b)What is the third case mentioned by the Tana?
(c)How does Rebbi Yochanan qualify the case of a fence of thorns? Under which circumstances would one be Patur?
(d)On what grounds do we initially think that he is Patur? What problem does that leave us with?
9)
(a)Our Mishnah says that someone who hides a thorn or a piece of glass in the street or who makes a fence of thorns bordering the street is Chayav for all subsequent damages.
(b)The third case mentioned by the Tana is a wall that fell into the street and caused damage.
(c)Rebbi Yochanan qualifies the case of a fence of thorns absolving the Mazik from liability in the event that he ensured that none of the thorns protrude into the street.
(d)We initially think that he is Patur because it is a Bor bi'Reshuso, implying that, according to Rebbi Yochanan, the Chiyuv of Bor is in the Reshus ha'Rabim. But did we not just conclude that Rebbi Yochanan must hold 'Mafkir Nezakav, Patur'?
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(a)We refute this suggestion however, by retaining our opinion that Rebbi Yochanan holds 'Mafkir Nezakav Patur'. Then how can he also exempt Metzamtzem? If it is not due to the fact that he holds that the Bor which the Torah obligates is the Reshus ha'Rabim (and not by Hifkir Reshuso v'Lo Hifkir Boro), then why is it?
(b)What does the (Stam) Mishnah in 'Shor she'Nagach Es ha'Parah' say about someone who digs a pit in the Reshus ha'Rabim?
(c)What does this force us to conclude concerning the Machlokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Elazar regarding 'Mafkir Nezakav'?
(d)How will we reconcile this with Rebbi Elazar's quotation from Rebbi Yishmael, who holds that a pit that one dug in the Reshus ha'Rabim is considered as if it was his (and he is Chayav for all subsequent damages), even though it is not?
10)
(a)We refute this suggesting however by retaining our opinion that Rebbi Yochanan holds 'Mafkir Nezakav Patur', and he exempts Metzamtzem (not because he holds 'Hifkir Reshuso v'Lo Hifkir Boro Patur', but) because people do not tend to walk so close to the side of the street that they scratch against the walls (so one is not Chayav to pay the damages if someone did).
(b)The (Stam) Mishnah in 'Shor she'Nagach Es ha'Parah' declares someone who digs a pit in the Reshus ha'Rabim Chayav.
(c)Bearing in mind that Rebbi Yochanan always rules like a Stam Mishnah, this forces us to finally conclude that Rebbi Yochanan is the one who holds 'Mafkir Nezakav, Chayav', whereas Rebbi Elazar holds Patur.
(d)To reconcile this with Rebbi Elazar's quotation from Rebbi Yishmael, who holds that a pit that one dug in the Reshus ha'Rabim is considered as if it was his (and he is Chayav for all subsequent damages), even though it is not we must establish this statement as a quotation from his Rebbi, with which he personally disagrees.