1)
(a)When Rav Dimi arrived from Eretz Yisrael, how did he explain the Pasuk "Ki Tovim Dodecha mi'Ya'yin" (which we discussed in the Mishnah)? How does he interpret "Dodecha", and how does he interpret "Yayin"?
(b)Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi (or bar Ami) explains that when Rebbi Yehoshua cited this Pasuk to Rebbi Yishmael, he really had in mind the previous Pasuk "Yishakeini mi'Neshikos Piyhu". What was he hinting to him with this Pasuk? What did he have in mind when he said ...
1. ... 'Chashok Sifsosecha Zu be'Zu ... '?
2. ... 've'Al Tevahel Lehashiv'?
(c)In fact, says Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi Amar Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi, the prohibition on the Nochri cheeses Beis Unaiki was a new decree, which the Chachamim forbade because of Nikur. What does 'Nikur' mean?
(d)Rebbi Yehoshua did not want to tell this to Rebbi Yishmael, based on a statement by Ula. What did Ula say about the Minhag in Eretz Yisrael following new decrees?
(e)For how long would they keep the reason a secret?
1)
(a)When Rav Dimi arrived from Eretz Yisrael, he explained the Pasuk "Ki Tovim Dodecha mi'Ya'yin" (which we discussed in the Mishnah) to mean - that K'neses Yisrael prefers the words of the Chachamim (the oral Torah ["Dodecha"]) to those of Hash-m Himself (the written one ["Yayin"]).
(b)Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi (or bar Ami) explains that when Rebbi Yehoshua cited this Pasuk to Rebbi Yishmael, he really had in mind the previous Pasuk "Yishakeini mi'Neshikos Piyhu". - which he interpreted to mean ...
1. ... 'Chashok Sifsosecha Zu be'Zu ... ' - 'Shut your lips tight'.
2. ... 've'Al Tevahel Le'hashiv' - and 'don't be so quick to ask Kashyos'.
(c)In fact, says Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi Amar Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi, the prohibition on the Nochri cheeses Beis Unaiki was a new decree, which the Chachamim forbade because of 'Nikur' - meaning that a snake may have drunk from it.
(d)Rebbi Yehoshua did not want to tell this to Rebbi Yishmael, based on a statement by Ula - who cited the Minhag in Eretz Yisrael not to spread the reasons for new Rabbinical decrees, because then based on people's comprehension of those reasons, they will come to discard the decreed from the outset.
(e)They would keep the reason a secret for twelve months.
2)
(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah objected strongly to Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's reason (due to the fear of snake-bite), on account of a statement by Rebbi Chanina. What did Rebbi Chanina say about uncovered wine or beer (that is forbidden because of possible snake venom) that dried or became old?
(b)Rebbi Chanina (or Rebbi Yirmiyah) therefore explains the reason for the prohibition as 'L'fi sh'I Efshar lah be'Lo Tzichtzuchei Chalav? What does he mean by that?
(c)Shmuel attributes it to the fact that they used to place the milk in the skin of a Neveilah. Why is this any worse than placing it in milk in the stomach, which our Mishnah permitted?
(d)What do we extrapolate from this with regard to the milk in the stomach of a Neveilah itself?
2)
(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah objected strongly to Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi's reason (due to the fear of snake-bite), on account of a statement by Rebbi Chanina, who said that uncovered wine or beer (that is forbidden because of possible snake venom) that dried or became old - is permitted, because the venom would have prevented either of them from occurring (yet we do not find that Chazal permitted either of them).
(b)Rebbi Chanina (or Rebbi Yirmiyah) therefore explains the reason for the prohibition as 'L'fi sh'I Efshar lah be'Lo Tzichtzuchei Chalav - by which he means that some drops of whey are bound to remain, and we are afraid that maybe the Nochri added non-Kasher milk which remained together with the whey.
(c)Shmuel attributes it to the fact that they used to place the milk in the skin of a Neveilah, which is worse than placing it in milk in the stomach (which our Mishnah permitted) - because skin cannot be considered 'dung' (like the milk is), and can therefore not be permitted.
(d)We extrapolate from this that milk in the stomach of a Neveilah itself - is permitted.
3)
(a)What does the Mishnah in Chulin say about the stomach of a Nochri's animal and of Neveilah?
(b)We ask why the former does not incorporate the latter. How does Shmuel amend the Mishnah to answer the Kashya?
(c)How do reconcile the two contradictory statements of Shmuel (both permitting [the milk in] the stomach and forbidding it?
(d)Then why did Rebbi not remove our Mishnah from the text?
3)
(a)The Mishnah in Chulin - forbids both the stomach of a Nochri's animal and of Neveilah.
(b)We ask why the former does not incorporate the latter. To answer this - Shmuel combines the Mishnah's two statements to read - 'Keivas Shechitas Oved'Kochavim Neveilah, Asurah'.
(c)We reconcile the two contradictory statements of Shmuel (both permitting [the milk in] the stomach and forbidding it - by establishing the Mishnah in Chulin, before Rebbi Yehoshua retracted (whilst he still maintained that the milk in the stomach of a Neveilah is not 'Pirsha'), and our Mishnah, after he retracted, considering it to be Pirsha.
(d)Rebbi did not however, remove the Mishnah in Chulin from he text - due to a policy to leave a Mishnah learned, intact (so as not to confuse the Talmidim).
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4)
(a)According to Rav Malkiya in the name of Rav Ada bar Ahavah, the Chachamim decreed on Nochri cheese because they tend to smear them with pig fat; whereas according to Rav Chisda, because they stand them in vinegar made from wine. What does Rav Nachman say?
(b)We suggest that the author of our Mishnah must then be Rebbi Eliezer in the Mishnah in Orlah. What does Rebbi Eliezer say there about someone who stands food in the sap of an Orlah tree?
(c)We conclude however, that our Mishnah could even go like Rebbi Yehoshua, who argues with Rebbi Eliezer there. Why might Rebbi Yehoshua agree with him here?
(d)And we prove this from Rebbi Yehoshua's own words in the Mishnah in Orlah. What does Rebbi Yehoshua say there with regard to someone who stands food in ...
1. ... the sap of the leaves or of the roots?
2. ... the sap of unripe figs?
4)
(a)According to Rav Malkiya in the name of Rav Ada bar Ahavah, the Chachamim decreed on cheese of a Nochri because they tended to smear them with pig fat; whereas according to Rav Chisda, it is because they would stand them in vinegar made from wine, and according to Rav Nachman - because they would stand them in the sap of Orlah.
(b)We suggest that the author of our Mishnah must then be Rebbi Eliezer in the Mishnah in Orlah, who says there - that if someone stands food in the sap of an Orlah tree, it is forbidden, because sap is considered a fruit.
(c)We conclude however, that our Mishnah could even go like Rebbi Yehoshua, who argues with Rebbi Eliezer there - by establishing it by sap of the fruit, which Rebbi Yehoshua concedes is Orlah.
(d)And we prove this from Rebbi Yehoshua's own words in the Mishnah in Orlah, where he testifies to having heard that if someone stands food in ...
1. ... the sap of the leaves or of the roots - it is permitted ...
2. ... the sap of unripe figs - it is forbidden.
5)
(a)What problem do we have with the last two explanations (Rav Nachman and Rav Chisda)?
(b)How do we resolve the problem?
5)
(a)The problem with the last two explanations (Rav Nachman and Rav Chisda) is - that Nochri cheese ought then to be Asur be'Hana'ah as well ...
(b)... a problem which remains unresolved.
6)
(a)What does Rav Chisda Darshen from the Pasuk in Koheles ...
1. ... "le'Rei'ach Shemanecha Tovim"?
2. ... "Shemen Turak Sh'mecha"?
(b)And what does he Darshen from the continuation of the Pasuk "Alamos Ahevucha"? How will we then read "Alamos"?
(c)How can we also understand "Alamos" by way of an acronym?
(d)And how else might we read it?
6)
(a)Rav Chisda Darshens from the Pasuk in Koheles ...
1. ... "le'Rei'ach Shemanecha Tovim" - that Talmidei-Chachamim are compared to a bottle of fragrant oil ...
2. ... "Shemen Turak Sh'mecha" - whose value can only be appreciated when it is opened and emptied. Likewise, a Talmid-Chacham only acquire a good name when he teaches others what he has learned.
(b)And from the continuation of the Pasuk "Alamos Ahevucha" he Darshens - that when he does so, the aspects of Torah that were previously hidden from him become revealed (as if the Pasuk had written Alumos, with a 'Vav' [see also Tosfos DH 'Devarim')
(c)We can also understand "Alamos" by way of an acronym - by reading it 'Al Maves' (no death), because even the Angel of Death befriends him.
(d)And finally, we can also read "Alamos" - as if it was written 'Olamos', to teach us that he inherits both worlds, Olam ha'Zeh and Olam ha'Ba.
7)
(a)What does our Mishnah say about milk that a Nochri milked without a Yisrael being present, Nochri bread and Nochri oil? What do they all have in common?
(b)Why do we erase the text that Rebbi later permitted Nochri oil from our Mishnah?
(c)Why does the Tana include cooked dishes and pickled foods in the above list?
7)
(a)Our Mishnah - rules that milk that a Nochri milked without a Yisrael being present, Nochri bread and Nochri oil are all forbidden to eat, but Mutar be'Hana'ah.
(b)We erase the text that Rebbi later permitted Nochri oil from our Mishnah - because it was not Rebbi who permitted it, but his grandson Rebbi Yehudah Nesi'ah.
(c)The Tana includes cooked dishes and pickled foods in the above list - because the Nochrim tended to add wine and vinegar to them.
8)
(a)T'ris (a type of small, salted Kasher fish) and Tzir (fish-juice) appear on the list too. Under which conditions is ...
1. ... T'ris forbidden?
2. ... Tzir permitted?
(b)The list of things that are forbidden to eat but Mutar be'Hana'ah ends with Chilak (a Kasher fish better-known as 'Sultanis', which does not initially grow fins and scales, and which generally catches similar looking non-Kasher fish), a grain of Chiltis (a kind of sharp fruit) and Salkundis salt (which will be discussed in the Sugya). Why are the latter two forbidden to eat?
8)
(a)T'ris (a type of small, salted Kasher fish) and Tzir (fish-juice) appear on the list too.
1. ... T'ris is forbidden - if it is mashed, because one cannot then recognize it and has to suspect that the Nochri may have added non-Kasher fish.
2. ... Tzir is permitted - if it contains 'Dagah Kilbis' (a small fish (possibly stickleback [or a certain type of Sheretz, Tif'eres Yisrael]) that grows inside it, provided the mixture does not contain any non-Kasher fish).
(b)The list of things that are forbidden to eat but Mutar be'Hana'ah ends with Chilak (a Kasher fish better-known as 'Sultanis', which does not initially grow fins and scales, and which generally catches similar looking non-Kasher fish), a grain of Chiltis (a kind of sharp fruit) and Salkundis salt (which will be discussed in the Sugya). The latter two are forbidden - because they were cut with a knife that was probably used for cutting meat and contained non-Kasher fat (that had not been wiped off).
9)
(a)What problem do we have with the Isur of drinking non-Shomered milk? How would we...
1. ... know immediately if the milk was from a non-Kasher animal?
2. ... soon discover if the Nochri had only added non-Kasher milk?
(b)How do we answer this Kashya, assuming the second suspicion to be the authentic one?
(c)Why can we not test the milk ...
1. ... by taking a little and making cheese (which if it doesn't work, will prove that it must be non-Kasher milk)?
2. ... even if one intends to use it all for cheese?
9)
(a)The problem with the Isur of drinking non-Shomered milk is that we would ...
1. ... know immediately if the milk was from a non-Kasher animal - seeing as non-Kasher milk is yellow, as opposed to the white of Kasher milk.
2. ... soon discover if the Nochri had only added non-Kasher milk - because the latter cannot turn into cheese.
(b)We answer this Kashya, assuming the second suspicion to be the authentic one - by establishing the Isur by someone who intends to use the milk as a food, and not to make into cheese.
(c)We cannot test the milk ...
1. ... by taking a little and making cheese (which if it doesn't work, will prove that it is non-Kasher milk) - because maybe the little that we take is whey, which, even of Kasher milk, doesn't produce milk either. Consequently, we suspect that maybe the Tamei milk was mixed together with the whey, and that is what we tested.
2. ... even if one intends to use it all for cheese - because the test will not prove that the milk is Tahor. Maybe there too, there is Tamei milk mixed with the whey in the holes in the cheese.
10)
(a)What did Rav Kahana Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about Beis-Din permitting bread baked by a Nochri?
(b)He found it necessary to say this because of an episode with Rebbi, related by Rav Dimi, regarding a Nochri who once brought him in the field a large Pas Purni. What is 'Pas Purni'?
(c)When Rebbi declared 'Mah Ra'u Chachamim le'Osrah', why can he not have mean it literally?
(d)So what did he mean?
10)
(a)Rav Kahana Amar Rebbi Yochanan declared - that Beis-Din did not permit bread baked by a Nochri.
(b)He found it necessary to say this because of an episode with Rebbi, related by Rav Dimi, regarding a Nochri who once brought him in the field a large Pas Purni - (a loaf baked in a large oven with its opening at the side that measured one Sa'ah).
(c)When he proclaimed 'Mah Ra'u Chachamim le'Osrah', he could not have meant it literally - because the reason of intermarriage was well-known.
(d)He must therefore have meant - that he did not understand why they forbade Nochri bread even in a field, where the problem of intermarriage barely exists.
11)
(a)What erroneous conclusion did people draw from Rebbi's statement?
(b)Rav Yosef (or Rav Shmuel bar Yehudah) present a different version of the above episode. What sort of baker was Rebbi referring to, according to his version, when, upon arriving at a place and discovering insufficient bread for all the Talmidim, he asked whether there was no baker in the vicinity?
(c)What did they think he meant?
11)
(a)People erroneously concluded from Rebbi's exclamation - that he actually permitted Pas Akum (non-Jewish bread).
(b)Rav Yosef (or Rav Shmuel bar Yehudah) present a different version of the above episode. According to his version, when, arriving at a place and discovering insufficient bread for all the Talmidim, Rebbi asked whether there was no baker in the vicinity mean, he was referring to - a Jewish baker.
(c)They however thought that he meant - a Nochri baker.
12)
(a)There are those however, who conclude that Rebbi actually meant a Nochri baker, like we thought at first. Rebbi Chelbo qualifies this by confining it to where there was no Jewish baker (even in town). What does Rebbi Yochanan say?
(b)What did Eivu used to do when walking through fields belonging to Egyptians?
(c)What declaration did Rava (or Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak) subsequently make concerning Eivu?
12)
(a)There are those however, who conclude that Rebbi actually meant a Nochri baker, like we thought at first. Rebbi Chelbo qualifies this by confining it to where there is no Jewish baker (even in town) - whereas according to Rebbi Yochanan - Rebbi was speaking exclusively about eating the bread of a Nochri in a field (where Chasnus is not really applicable, as we explained earlier).
(b)When Eivu used to walk through fields belonging to Egyptians - he would taste their bread.
(c)Rava (or Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak) therefore issued a declaration - forbidding anyone to say over Divrei Torah in his name (see Hagahos ha'Bach).