1)

(a)What does Rebbi Hoshaya say about someone who sets aside two Chata'os for Acharayus?

(b)Why can this not go like ...

1. ... the Rabbanan of Rebbi?

2. ... Rebbi Shimon?

(c)Then according to whom does it go?

1)

(a)Rebbi Hoshaya rules that someone who sets aside two Chata'os for Acharayus - picks one for his Chatas and the other one is Ro'eh.

(b)This cannot go like ...

1. ... the Rabbanan of Rebbi - who hold that 'ha'Mafrish le'Ibud La'av ke'Ibud Dami', how much more so if Mafrish le'Acharayus (as we learned earlier).

2. ... Rebbi Shimon - according to whom every Chatas she'Niskaprah Ba'alehah must die.

(c)In fact, Rebbi Hoshaya concurs with - Rebbi, who concedes that a Chatas that has been designated le'Achrayus is Ro'ah.

2)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah 'Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon Omer, Im Karvah Sheniyah Kodem she'Nishchatah Rishonah, Tamus, she'Kevar Kiprah Ba'alehah'. On what basis do we initially query Rebbi Hoshaya from there? With which Tana do we think Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon concurs?

(b)What do we answer? Like whom might he alternatively hold?

(c)We cited earlier the Mishnah in Yoma (in connection with the Sa'ir la'Azazel that died) which rules that the first Sa'ir la'Hashem is paired with the second Sa'ir la'Azazel, and the second Sa'ir la'Hashem is Yir'eh. What do we extrapolate from there that poses a Kashya on Rebbi Hoshaya?

(d)And we answer that Rav follows his reasoning. In fact, he holds like Rebbi Yossi. What does Rebbi Yossi say in the case of a Pesach that is found after the owner already designated a second one?

(e)How does this answer the Kashya?

2)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah 'Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon Omer, Im Karvah Sheniyah Kodem she'Nishchetah Rishonah, Tamus, she'Kevar Kiprah Ba'alehah'. We initially query Rebbi Hoshaya from there, because we think that - Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon follows the opinion of Rebbi, yet he holds Meisah, even though it was not designated for Ibud.

(b)And we answer that- he holds, not like Rebbi, but like his (Rebbi Elazar's) father (Rebbi Shimon), who holds Chamesh Chata'os Meisos, under all circumstances.

(c)We cited earlier the Mishnah in Yoma (in connection with the Sa'ir la'Azazel that died) which rules that the first Sa'ir la'Hashem is paired with the second Sa'ir la'Azazel, and the second Sa'ir la'Hashem is 'Yir'eh'. We extrapolate from there that - a Korban Tzibur under the same circumstances would die (even though it was not designated for Ibud, seeing as there was a choice of two such goats), posing a Kashya on Rebbi Hoshaya.

(d)And we answer that Rav follows his reasoning. In fact, he holds like Rebbi Yossi, who rules that if a lost Pesach is found after the owner already designated a second one - it is a Mitzvah to bring the original Pesach (as opposed to the Chachamim, who say that he can pick whichever one he pleases), rendering the second lamb a case of Mafrish le'Ibud.

(e)Likewise, the second Sa'ir is Mafrish le'Ibud, according to Rav, for exactly the same reason.

3)

(a)The Beraisa cited by Rav Shimi bar Ziri states 'Avdah be'Sha'as Hafrashah le'Rebbi Meisah, le'Rabbanan Tir'eh'. What does the Tana then say about 'Avdah be'Sha'as Kaparah'?

(b)On what grounds does Rav Papa query it?

(c)How does he therefore amend it?

3)

(a)The Beraisa cited by Rav Shimi bar Ziri states 'Avdah be'Sha'as Hafrashah le'Rebbi Meisah, le'Rabbanan Tir'eh'. The Tana then - switches their rulings by 'Avdah be'Sha'as Kaparah to 'le'Rabbanan Meisah, le'Rebbi Ro'ah'.

(b)Rav Papa queries this - on the basis of a Kal-va'Chomer: if where the Rabbanan hold Ro'ah, Rebbi holds Meisah, how much more so where they concede Meisah, will Rebbi hold Meisah, too.

(c)He therefore amends it to read - 'be'Sha'as Kaparah, le'Divrei ha'Kol Meisah'.

4)

(a)We learned in a Beraisa 'Ein Margilin be'Yom-Tov'. What does this mean?

(b)Why does one do that?

(c)How would one otherwise cut the skin in order to skin it?

(d)In which two other areas of Halachah does the Tana forbid Hargalah?

(e)Rav Chisda explains that he forbids it by B'chor, because he holds like Beis Shamai. What do Beis Shamai say with regard to a B'chor P'sulei ha'Mukdashin (that has been redeemed)?

4)

(a)We learned in a Beraisa 'Ein Margilin be'Yom-Tov' - it is forbidden to skin an animal on Yom-Tov, starting from the foreleg (in a way that it remains whole) ...

(b)... to make it into a bellows or to hold honey.

(c)One would otherwise cut the skin with a knife - starting from its throat, and through to its tail, via its belly, in order to skin it.

(d)The Tana also forbids Hargalah - by B'chor and P'sulei ha'Mukdashin.

(e)Rav Chisda explains that he forbids it by B'chor, because he holds like Beis Shamai, who rules in a Mishnah in B'choros that - a Yisrael is not permitted to join a Kohen to eat a B'chor P'sulei ha'Mukdashin (that has been redeemed), a proof that according to them, the B'chor retains its Kedushah.

5)

(a)What does the Tana of another Beraisa rule regarding a case where someone has two Chata'os, one a Tam, the other, a Ba'al-Mum?

(b)What if he Shechts the Ba'al-Mum ...

1. ... before the blood of the Tam has been sprinkled?

2. ... after the blood of the Tam has been sprinkled?

(c)What does Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon say (that goes even further than what he says in our Mishnah)?

(d)Like which Tana does Rav Chisda now establish the ruling with regard to P'sulei ha'Mukdashin in our current Beraisa?

5)

(a)The Tana of another Beraisa rules that someone who has two Chata'os, one a Tam, the other, a Ba'al-Mum - brings the Tam, and redeems the Ba'al Mum.

(b)If he Shechts the Ba'al-Mum ...

1. ... before the blood of the Tam has been sprinkled - then it is permitted.

2. ... after the Tam has been sprinkled - it is forbidden.

(c)Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon rules that - once the blood of the Tam is sprinkled, even if the Ba'al-Mum is already in the pot, it must be taken out to the Beis-ha'Sereifah and burned.

(d)Rav Chisda now establishes the ruling with regard to P'sulei ha'Mukdashin in the current Beraisa - like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, who holds that they still retain their Kedushah, even after being redeemed.

6)

(a)Why does Rav Chisda establish the ruling by B'chor according to Beis Shamai, and by P'sulei ha'Mukdashin, according to Rebbi Elazar be'Rebbi Shimon? Why does he not establish the ruling of ...

1. ... P'sulei ha'Mukdashin too, according to Beis Shamai?

2. ... B'chor too, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?

(b)Why does the Mishnah in B'choros permit selling P'sulei ha'Mukdashin in the butchery and weighing it on regular scales?

(c)We ask why Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon does not permit Hargalah too for the same reason. Rav Mari b'rei de'Rav Kahana answers that it will not fetch a better price. Why not?

6)

(a)Rav Chisda establishes the ruling by B'chor, according to Beis Shamai, and not that of ...

1. ... P'sulei ha'Mukdashin - because, unlike B'chor, they are not Kadosh from birth (so perhaps Beis Shamai will concede that they do not retain their Kedushah).

2. ... B'chor as well, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon - because unlike P'sulei ha'Mukdashin, it is not subject to Pidyon (as we have already learned, so perhaps Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon will agree ... ).

(b)The Mishnah in B'choros permits selling P'sulei ha'Mukdashin in the butchery and weighing it on regular scales - because it will fetch a better price if it is sold that way.

(c)In answer to why Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon does not permit Hargalah too for the same reason, Rav Mari b'rei de'Rav Kahana answers that it will not fetch a better price - because in order to avoid tearing the skin, he will puncture the Basar instead (so what he gains at one end he loses at the other).

7)

(a)In Eretz Yisrael in the name of Rav Mari b'rei de'Rav Avin they explained that the Chachamim forbade Hargalah, because making a pair of bellows looks like working with Kodshim. Why is it not considered working with Kodshim min ha'Torah?

(b)What third answer does Rebbi Yossi bar Avin give to explain why the Chachamim forbade Hargalah?

7)

(a)In Eretz Yisrael in the name of Rav Mari b'rei de'Rav Avin they explained that the Chachamim forbade Hargalah, because making a pair of bellows looks like working with Kodshim. It is not considered working with Kodshim min ha'Torah - because the Isur of Avodah be'Kodshim only applies as long as the animal is alive.

(b)The third answer given by Rebbi Yossi bar Avin to explain why the Chachamim forbade Hargalah is - because the Chachamim were afraid that whilst waiting for a lucrative order for a pair of bellows before Shechting the animal, he will rear flocks of Kodshim animals.

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8)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses how to circumvent the Mitzvah of Bechorah. Why might anybody want to do that?

(b)Assuming that the mother is expecting its firstborn baby, what must he then say? What happens to the animal when it is born?

(c)What happens to the ...

1. ... baby if he declares 'Im Yaldah Nekeivah, Zivchei Shelamim'?

2. ... babies if the animal gives birth to a male and female (twins), if he said 'Im Zachar Olah, ve'Im Nekeivah. Shelamim'?

(d)And what happens, in the current case, if the mother gives birth to ...

1. ... male twins?

2. ... female twins?

(e)What is the reason for these rulings?

8)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses how to circumvent the Mitzvah of Bechorah - which someone who is Chayav a Korban might want to do in order to use the B'chor to fulfill his obligation.

(b)Assuming that the mother is expecting its firstborn baby, he must then say - that if whatever is in its stomach is a male, it will be brought as an Olah.

(c)If he declares ...

1. ... 'Im Yaldah Nekeivah ... Zivchei Shelamim' - then it is brought as a Shelamim.

2. ... 'Im Zachar Olah, ve'Im Nekeivah, Shelamim, and it gives birth to a male and female (twins) - then the male is brought as an Olah, and the female, as a Shelamim.

(d)If, in the current case, the mother gives birth to ...

1. ... male twins - then one of them is brought as an Olah, and the other, is sold to someone who needs an Olah, and the proceeds are Chulin.

2. ... female twins - then the one is brought as a Shelamim, and the other one is sold to someone who needs a Shelamim and the proceeds are Chulin.

(e)The reason for these two rulings is - because on the one hand, he did say on a male 'Olah' and on a female 'Shelamim', whereas on the other, he only sanctified one animal, and not two.

9)

(a)What does Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel say about a case where the mother gave birth to a Tumtum or an Androginus?

9)

(a)Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel rules that if the mother gave birth to a Tumtum or an Androginus - Kedushah does not take effect on it.

10)

(a)What does Rav Yehudah say about making a blemish on a B'chor before it is born?

(b)We query this however, from our Mishnah. What do we extrapolate from the Reisha of the Mishnah with regard to if the owner declares the B'chor in his animal's womb a Shelamim? Why the difference?

(c)What is then the Kashya on Rav Yehudah?

(d)To answer the Kashya, what distinction does Rav Yehudah draw between the time of the Beis-Hamikdash and nowadays?

10)

(a)Rav Yehudah - permits making a blemish on a B'chor before it is born.

(b)We query this however, from our Mishnah - 'Im Zachar, Olah ... ', from which we extrapolate that if he were to declares the B'chor in his animal's womb a Shelamim - it would not take effect (because, as opposed to Olah, which cannot be eaten, he is switching the B'chorah for a minor Kedushah) ...

(c)... a Kashya on Rav Yehudah inasmuch as - if one is forbidden to exchange Kedushas B'chor for Kedushas Shelamim, then how much more so should it be forbidden to negate it altogether?

(d)To answer the Kashya - Rav Yehudah confines his concession to nowadays, where there is no Mizbe'ach, whereas our Mishnah is referring to the era of the Beis-Hamikdash.

11)

(a)What problem do we have with establishing Rav by a B'chor nowadays?

(b)What do we answer? What might we have been afraid of?

(c)Then why aren't we? Which other fear supersedes that one?

11)

(a)The problem with establishing Rav by a B'chor nowadays is that - it appears to then be obvious that it is permitted to negate the Kedushas B'chor before it is born.

(b)And we answer that if not for Rav Yehudah, we might have been afraid - that the owner will effect the Mum after most of the head has emerged (in which case he will be guilty of making a Mum on Kodshim).

(c)And the reason that we are not afraid of that (on the assumption that he will take care to make the blemish before that stage), is - because the fear that if he does not effect a Mum now, he will work with the B'chor or shear its wool even without a blemish supersedes it.

12)

(a)What is our Mishnah referring to when it says 've'Im Nekeivah, Zivchei Shelamim'? Since when can a female animal be a B'chor?

(b)Why is the owner then trying to circumvent the baby becoming a Chatas?

(c)On what grounds then, is his declaration of Shelamim, effective?

12)

(a)When our Mishnah says 've'Im Nekeivah, Zivchei Shelamim' - it is referring (not to a B'chor, but) to a case where the mother is Hekdesh (a Chatas).

(b)The owner is trying to circumvent the baby becoming a Chatas - to prevent it from having to die.

(c)His declaration of Shelamim, is effective - due to the principle that babies of Kodshim only become Kadosh when they are born, in which case when he declared the fetus a Shelamim, it was not yet a Chatas.

13)

(a)What problem do we have with the subsequent ruling in our Mishnah 'Yaldah Sh'nei Zecharim'? What ought the second baby to be, if not an Olah?

(b)And what do we answer? How is the Seifa speaking?

13)

(a)The problem with the subsequent ruling in our Mishnah 'Yaldah Sh'nei Zecharim' is that - if the mother is Hekdesh, then why does the second animal become an Olah, rather than adopt the same Kedushah as the mother.

(b)And we answer that - the Seifa is speaking with reference to a mother that is Chulin (like the Reisha).

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