SHABBOS 145 (8 Av) - Dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Lily (Leah bas Pinchas) Kornfeld, who passed away on 8 Av 5765, by her daughter and son-in-law, Diane and Andy Koenigsberg and family. May Lily and her husband's love for Torah and for Eretz Yisrael continue in all of their descendants.

1)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah cites the Mishnah in Ma'asros. The Tana Kama there states 'ha'Machlik ba'Anavim, Lo Huchshar'. What does this mean?

(b)What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(c)In light of what we just learned, how does Rebbi Yirmiyah attempt to establish the Machlokes?

(d)Rav Papa concludes however, that both Tana'im hold 'Mashkeh ha'Ba le'Ochel La'av ke'Ochel' (see Hagahos ha'Gra). On what grounds does the Tana Kama then hold 'Lo Huchshar'? What the basis of their Machlokes?

2)

(a)Rav Papa tries to connect this Machlokes with the Beraisa which rules that if someone who bruises olives to make them sweet, they are Muchshar Lekabel Tum'ah. Why is that?

(b)What does he say in a case where he is bruising them to ...

1. ... soften the outside, in order to salt them (when they are hard, the salt falls off)?

2. ... to ascertain whether the oil is ready to come out?

(c)What does Rebbi Yehudah say?

(d)How does Rav Papa now explain this Machlokes?

(e)Rav Huna b'rei de'Rav Yehoshua agrees with this interpretation regarding the latter, but not regarding the former. How does he explain the Machlokes between the Tana Kama and Rebbi Yehudah in the case of 'ha'Mefatzei'a be'Zeisim'?

3)

(a)What does Rebbi Zeira ... Amar Rav permits squeezing a bunch of grapes into food. What does he say about squeezing ...

1. ... it into an empty dish?

2. ... fish to extract its juice? Why is that?

(b)With whose opinion do the earlier two rulings conform?

(c)On what grounds did Abaye object when Rav Dimi citing this dual ruling in the name of Rav?

(d)What did Rav Dimi reply, citing Rebbi Yirmiyah ... Rebbi Zeira ... Rav Chiya bar Ashi and Rav?

(e)Which Pasuk in Iyov did he quote to stress his point?

4)

(a)Abaye was referring to a Machlokes between Rav and Shmuel. What did Rav rule regarding pickled foods that one squeezed for ...

1. ... the food?

2. ... the liquid?

(b)And what did he say about squeezing well-cooked vegetables?

(c)Shmuel agreed with Rav regarding pickled food. What did he say about squeezing well-cooked vegetables?

(d)And in which point is Rebbi Yochanan more stringent than Shmuel?

5)

(a)We cite a Beraisa which permits squeezing well cooked food on Shabbos for Shabbos but not for after Shabbos. What does the Tana say about squeezing olives and grapes?

(b)Why does this pose a Kashya on all of them?

(c)To answer it, each one amend 'Sochtin Kevashim be'Shabbos' to suit his opinion. How does ...

1. ... Rav amend it, in order to qualify it (before adding that Shelakos is permitted in any case)?

2. ... Shmuel amend it, after adding 've'Hu ha'Din li'Shelakos'?

3. ... Rebbi Yochanan amend it (before adding that pickled squeezing pickled foods for their juice carries a Chiyuv Chatas like squeezing olives and grapes)?

(d)What does Rav Chiya bar Ashi Amar Rav say about treading olives and grapes and other fruit (in order to extract their juice)?

6)

(a)The previous ruling is substantiated by Tana de'Bei Menasheh, who also issues a ruling in connection with 'Eid mi'Pi Eid'. What is 'Eid mi'Pi Eid'?

(b)What does Tana de'Bei Menasheh say about it?

(c)Why were the Chachamim lenient there more than anywhere else?

7)

(a)Rebbi Ami queried Rebbi Asi, when he permitted Eid mi'Pi Eid by a Bechor Behemah. What is the witness testifying?

(b)What was Rebbi Ami's objection to Rebbi Asi's ruling?

(c)What did the latter answer? How did he interpret Tana de'Bei Menasheh's ruling?

(d)What did Mereimar call Rav Yeimar when he permitted Eid mi'Pi Eid by Bechor?

(e)What do we finally conclude in this regard?

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8)

(a)Rav Hoshaya from Neherda'a cites a Beraisa, where the Tana Kama forbids the juice of olives and grapes (which were pressed before Shabbos) that came out on Shabbos. What do Rebbi Elazar and Rebbi Shimon say?

(b)What problem does Rav Yosef have with Rebbi Hoshaya from Neherda'a?

(c)How does Abaye counter his Kashya? What else is this Beraisa coming to teach us over and above our Mishnah?

9)

(a)What does our Mishnah say about soaking something that has ...

1. ... been cooked before Shabbos?

2. ... not been cooked before Shabbos?

(b)What is one nevertheless permitted to do with it?

(c)What does the Tana preclude from this latter ruling (besides an old salted herring and small salted fish)?

(d)What is the reason for this?

10)

(a)Rav Safra gives an example of something that has been cooked before Shabbos, and that may be placed in boiling water (even in a Kli Rishon) on Shabbos, Tarnegoles de'Bei Rebbi Aba. What was 'Tarnegoles de'Bei Rebbi Aba'? What purpose did it serve?

(b)What did Rebbi Aba give him to neutralize the strong after-effects of his chicken?

(c)What did Rav Yosef retort when he heard how Rebbi Yochanan spat when he recalled the Kutach ha'Bavli? Why did Rav Yosef see fit to make such a comment?

(d)He also quoted Rav Gaza, a Babylonian, who quoted the Yerushalmim differently. What happened when he once prepared some Kutach ha'Bavli in Eretz Yisrael?

11)

(a)What did Rebbi Asi reply when Rebbi Chiya bar Aba asked him why ...

1. ... the birds of Bavel were fatter than those of Eretz Yisrael?

2. ... the people of Bavel rejoiced on Yom Tov more than those of Eretz Yisrael?

3. ... the Talmidei Chachamim wore finer clothing than those of Eretz Yisrael?

4. ... the Nochrim were sweaty?

(b)Rebbi Yochanan disagreed with Rebbi Asi. How did he address him and Rebbi Chiya bar Aba (his Talmidim)?

(c)Why did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba ask Rebbi Asi in the first place, and not Rebbi Yochanan?

(d)Rebbi Yochanan's objection was based on the Pasuk in Mishlei "Emor la'Chochmah Achosi At". How does he interpret it?

12)

(a)So how Rebbi Yochanan answer the four questions raised by Rebbi Chiya bar Aba?

(b)What does Rebbi Yochanan learn from the Pasuk in Yirmiyah "Sha'anan Moav mi'Ne'urav ... u'va'Golah Lo Halach"?

(c)Based on Rebbi Yehudah in a Beraisa, what is the significance of the fifty-two years that nobody passed through Yehudah? Why not seventy?

(d)No bird, animal or fish it seems, was to be found there either. In this context, what does Rebbi Ya'akov Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about the Kulyas ha'Ispanin? In which way did it differ from all its contemporaries?

(e)Why was that?

13)

(a)The Pasuk in Hoshe'a (in connection with the negated joy of Yom Tov) concludes "Hayu Alai la'Torach". What does Rebbi Elazar learn from there?

(b)Why did various gentile leaders come to Tzipori and Teverya each Yom Tov? What did they do there?

(c)What made them do that?

14)

(a)What do we learn from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ha'Ba'im Yashresh Ya'akov, Yatzitz u'Farach Yisrael"? How does this prove Rebbi Yochanan's explanation as to why the Bavli'im wore nice clothes?

(b)Rav Acha bar Ya'akov queried Rebbi Yochanan from the Geirim, who did not stand at Har Sinai, yet they are not sweaty like the gentiles. What did Rav Ashi reply, based on the Pasuk in Nitzavim "Es Asher Yeshno Poh Imanu ha'Yom ve'es Asher Einenu Poh ... ".

(c)Rebbi Aba bar Kahana disagrees with Rebbi Yochanan, who says that the sweatiness of Yisrael left them at Har Sinai. What does he say?

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