Rav Nachman asked Rebbi Yitzchak whether he had heard when bar Nifli was due to arrive. Who was 'bar Nifli'? Why was he called by that name?
Rebbi Yitzchak, citing Rebbi Yochanan, replied that the generation of Mashi'ach will witness a dearth of Talmidei-Chachamim (or of their stature). What else, besides a longing that will end in grief and sighing, will be the hallmark of that generation?
Rav Nachman asked Rebbi Yitzchak whether he had heard when bar Nifli was due to arrive. 'bar Nifli' - Mashi'ach, was called by that name - on account of the Pasuk in Amos "ba'Yom ha'Hu Akim es Succas David ha'Nofales".
Rebbi Yitzchak citing Rebbi Yochanan, replied that the generation of Mashi'ach will witness a dearth of Talmidei-Chachamim. Besides a longing that will end in grief and sighing, the hallmark of that generation will be - many troubles and decrees that follow each other in quick succession.
The Beraisa describes the Sh'mitah-cycle of Mashi'ach. If the first year will witness rain on some cities but not on others, and the second year, acute famine, what will the third year bring?
Why will the Torah-scholars forget the Torah they have learned?
If the fourth year will be a year of plenty, though limited, what will the fifth year be like?
The sixth year will witness Kolos. What might 'Kolos' mean?
The seventh year will consist of wars. What about the year after the Sh'mitah?
The Beraisa describes the Sh'mitah-cycle of Mashi'ach. The first year will witness rain on some cities but not on others, and the second year, acute famine, whereas the third year will bring - a heavy famine, which will kill men, women and children, pious men, men of good deeds and of Torah-knowledge.
The scholars will forget the Torah they have learned - due to hunger.
The fourth year will be a year of plenty, though limited, the fifth year will be - one of bounty, when people will eat, drink and be happy, a situation which will cause the scholars to recall the Torah that they forgot.
The sixth year will witness Kolos which means - either rumors that Mashi'ach is on his way, or the voice of the Shofar that will precede his arrival (see also Agados Maharsha).
The seventh year will consist of wars, whereas the year after the Sh'mitah - will herald the long-awaited Mashi'ach.
Rav Yosef asked in surprise that many Sh'mitos had seen wars, yet Mashi'ach had not yet arrived? What did Abaye reply?
What is the significance of the Pasuk in Tehilim that some versions quote here "Asher Cherfucha Oyvecha Hash-m, asher Cherfu Ikvos Meshichecha"?
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Yehudah describes the generation of Mashi'ach. The Beis ha'Va'ad he says, will become a brothel. What is the 'Beis ha'Va'ad'?
The Galil will be destroyed, he continues, Gavlan desolate and the men of G'vul (or Gazis) will wander from place to place and no-one will take pity on them. Who are 'the men of ...
... G'vul'?
... Gazis'?
Rav Yosef asked in surprise that many Sh'mitos had seen wars, yet Mashi'ach had not yet arrived, to which Abaye replied that - a. it had not been preceded by 'Kolos' in the sixth year, and b. the pattern of Tzaros (in the early years) must follow the sequence described by the Tana.
The significance of the Pasuk in Tehilim that some versions quote here "Asher Cherfucha Oyvecha Hash-m, asher Cherfu Ikvos Meshichecha" is that - it depicts one of the signs of Mashi'ach (cited in Sotah) 'Chutzpah Yasgi' (an abundance of Chutzpah).
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Yehudah describes the generation of Mashi'ach. The Beis ha'Va'ad - the place where Talmidei-Chachamim meet to study Torah, he says, will become a brothel.
The Galil will be destroyed, he continues, the Gavlan desolate and the men of G'vul (or Gazis) will wander from place to place and no-one will take pity on them. 'The men of ...
... G'vul' are - men who live on the borders of Eretz Yisrael.
... Gazis' are - members of the Sanhedrin.
The Beraisa continues 'The wisdom of the Chachamim will be scorned and those who fear G-d, rejected'. What does Rebbi Yehudah mean when he says that the face of the generation will be like that of a dog?
And how does Amri de'bei ...
... Rav explains his statement 've'ha'Emes Ne'ederes'?
... Rebbi Shilo explain 've'Sar me'Ra Mishtolel"?
Rava initially thought that there was nobody left in the world who spoke the absolute truth. What did Rav Tavos (or Rav Tivyumi) tell him about his own philosophy?
The Beraisa continues 'The wisdom of the Chachamim will be scorned and those who fear G-d, rejected'. When Rebbi Yehudah says that the face of the generation will be like that of a dog, he means - either that they will behave like dogs (see Margalis ha'Yam), or that they will have no shame before one another (see also Eitz Yosef).
Amri de'bei ...
... Rav explains his statement 've'ha'Emes Ne'ederes' to mean that - Emes is only to be found in flocks (here and there) see also Agados Maharsha.
... Rebbi Shilo explains 've'Sar me'Ra Mishtolel" to mean - that people will consider those who run away from evil to be idiots.
Rava initially thought that there was nobody left in the world who spoke the absolute truth. Rav Tavos (or Rav Tivyumi) told him that - he would not deviate from the truth if one were to offer him all the treasures in the world.
This was due to a bitter experience that he had when he lived in Kushta. What was special about the town Kushta? What does 'Kushta' mean?
What was Rav Tavos' connection with that town?
When a neighbor's wife once knocked at the door and asked to speak to his wife, who was washing her hair, what did he reply?
What was the result of his lie?
This was due to a bitter experience that he had when he lived in Kushta. The town Kushta (which means 'the truth') was special - inasmuch as none of its inhabitants died prematurely, because they spoke only the truth.
Rav Tavos - went to live there and married a local woman, who bore him two sons.
When a neighbor's wife once knocked at the door and asked to speak to his wife, who was washing her hair - he considered it improper to answer her truthfully, so he replied that she was not at home.
As a result of his lie - his two sons died, and he was asked to leave Kushta (known elsewhere as Luz), and to stop causing people to die prematurely to the residents of the city.
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Nehora'i states that in the generation of Mashi'ach, young boys will shame old men. What does he say about the relationship between ...
... old men and youths?
... daughters and mothers, and daughters-in-law and mothers-in-law?
He too, agrees that the face of the generation will resemble that of a dog. What did he say about the relationship between a son and a father?
According to Rebbi Nechemyah in yet another Beraisa, Mashi'ach will not come until Chutzpah abounds. What does 've'ha'Yoker Ye'aves' mean?
There will be plenty of grapes, yet wine will be expensive. Why might that be?
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Nehora'i states that young boys will shame old men. He comments that ...
... old men will be made to stand up for young boys (who demand Kavod), and that ...
... daughters - will insult and embarrass their mothers, and daughters-in-law, their mothers-in-law.
He too agrees that the face of the generation will resemble that of a dog. And he said that - a son will behave in front of his father with no shame.
According to Rebbi Nechemyah in yet another Beraisa, Mashi'ach will not come until Chutzpah abounds. 've'ha'Yoker Ye'aves' means - either that honor will be twisted (meaning that people will not respect each other), or that the most honorable person will be a cheat.
There will be plenty of grapes yet wine will be expensive - either because there will no B'rachah in the fruit (so that a lot of grapes will be required to produce a small amount of wine), or because everybody will want it, and the sellers will raise their prices to exploit the high demand.
Rava cites a Pasuk in Tazri'a in support of Rebbi Nechemyah's final sign of Mashi'ach "Kulo Hafach Lavan Tahor hu". What is Rebbi Nechemyah's final sign of Mashi'ach?
What is then Rava's proof from the Pasuk?
The Pasuk in Ha'azinu (regarding when Mashi'ach will come) writes "When Hash-m judges His people ... when He sees that the hand is getting stronger (ki Ozlas Yad), and there is no-one to help". What does the Beraisa learn from this Pasuk? What does "judges His people" mean, and which hand is getting stronger?
Others say that "Ozlas Yad" refers to the diminishing of Talmidim (who help Yisrael to return to their Father in Heaven), or to the empty hand (no money). What do yet others say, based on the end of the Pasuk "ve'Efes Atzur ve'Azuv"? How do they interpret that?
Rava cites a Pasuk in Tazri'a in support of Rebbi Nechemyah's final sign of Mashi'ach "Kulo Hafach Lavan Tahor hu". Rebbi Nechemyah's final sign of Mashi'ach is that - the entire ruling power will become heretical and there will be nobody to rebuke them.
Rava's proof from the Pasuk is that - like by Tzara'as, when the entire piece of flesh has signs of Tum'ah, it becomes Tahor, so too, when the entire ruling power is heretical, Mashi'ach will come.
The Pasuk in Ha'azinu (regarding when Mashi'ach will come) writes "When Hash-m judges His people ... when He sees that the hand is getting stronger, and there is no-one to help". According to the Beraisa, "judges His people" refers to - the coming of Mashi'ach, and "the hand is getting stronger (ki Ozlas Yad)" - to the sneaks (Jews who hand over their fellow-Jews and their money to the ruling power), who will be the last straw to bring about the coming of Mashi'ach.
Others say that "Ozlas Yad" refers to the diminishing of Talmidim (who help Yisrael to return to their Father in Heaven), or to the empty hand (no money). Yet others explain that the end of the Pasuk "ve'Efes Atzur ve'Azuv" - refers to when the people have given up hope and maintain that no-one will help them and that Mashi'ach will not come; that is when he will come!
What would Rebbi Zeira say to the Chachamim, whenever he saw them discussing the coming of Mashi'ach?
What else, besides finding a lost article, comes when one least expects it?
What does ...
... Rav Ketina learn from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ve'Nisgav Hash-m Levado ba'Yom ha'Hu"?
... Abaye learn from the Pasuk in Hoshei'a "Yechayenu mi'Yomayim, ba'Yom ha'Shelishi Yekimenu ve'Yichyeh Lefanav"?
We cite a Beraisa in support of Rav Ketina. How does the Tana compare the years of the world (based on the same Pasuk as Rav Ketina) to the Sh'mitah cycle?
When Rebbi Zeira saw the Chachamim discussing the coming of Mashi'ach - he (Mashi'ach) would ask them not to keep him at bay by discussing him, since Mashi'ach is destined to come with Hesech ha'Da'as (only when one is not thinking about him).
Besides finding a lost article - a scorpion's bite too, comes when one least expects it.
Rav Ketina learns from the Pasuk in Yeshayah "ve'Nisgav Hash-m Levado ba'Yom ha'Hu" that - after the six thousand years of Olam ha'Zeh (but before Techi'as ha'Meisim), there will be a period of a thousand years during which time Hash-m will reign alone.
Abaye learns from the Pasuk in Hoshei'a "Yechayenu mi'Yomayim, ba'Yom ha'Shelishi Yekimenu ve'Yichyeh Lefanav" that - Hash-m will reign alone for two thousand years.
We cite a Beraisa in support of Rav Ketina, when, based on the same Pasuk as Rav Ketina, the Tana says that, just as in the cycle of Sh'mitah, the six years are followed by one year of Sh'mitah (where the land lies fallow), so too, after six thousand years, there will be one thousand years (during which time the world will 'lie fallow').
How does the same Beraisa interpret the Pasuk in Tehilim "Mizmor Shir le'Yom ha'Shabbos"?
And what does the Tana learn from the Pasuk there "Ki Elef Shanim be'Einecha ke'Yom Esmol ki Ya'avor"?
Tana de'bei Eliyahu breaks down the years of the world (until Mashi'ach) into three. If the first two thousand years of the world's existence were devoid of Torah, when exactly did the two thousand years of Torah (which was only given to Yisrael in the year 2448) begin?
What does the Tana comment about the years of the two thousand of Mashi'ach that have already passed?
According to the Beraisa, the Pasuk in Tehilim "Mizmor Shir le'Yom ha'Shabbos" - refers to those one thousand years, since one day of Hash-m lasts a thousand of our years ...
... as the Tana learns from the Pasuk there "Ki Elef Shanim be'Einecha ke'Yom Esmol ki Ya'avor".
Tana de'bei Eliyahu breaks down the years of the world (until Mashi'ach) into three. The first two thousand years of the world's existence were devoid of Torah, and the two thousand years of Torah (which was only given to Yisrael in the year 2448) began - in the year two thousand, when Avraham, at the age of fifty-two, began teaching the people of Charan about Monotheism.
The Tana comments that although so many of the years of the two thousand of Mashi'ach have already passed - yet, due to our sins, Mashi'ach has still not come.
Given that Ma'amad Har Sinai took place in the year 2448, how many years elapsed ...
... until the building of the first Beis-Hamikdash?
... from its building until its destruction?
... from the destruction until the destruction of the second Beis-Hamikdash?
How many years remained until the two thousand years of Mashi'ach began?
What is the significance of the two thousand years of Mashi'ach?
By the same token, why can we then not imply from 'the two thousand years of Torah' that Torah would come to an end once the two thousand years of Mashi'ach began.
Given that Ma'amad Har Sinai took place in the year 2448, the number of years that elapsed ...
... until the building of the first Beis-Hamikdash were - 520 (40 years in the desert, plus 480 years in Eretz Yisrael).
... from its building until its destruction were - 410.
... from the destruction until the destruction of the second Beis-Hamikdash were - 490 (the 70 years of Galus Bavel plus 420 of the second Beis-Hamikdash) ...
... following which 172 years remained until the two thousand years of Mashi'ach began.
The significance of the two thousand years of Mashi'ach is that - any time during that period, Mashi'ach can come, bringing an end to Galus Edom and Yishmael.
We cannot, by the same token, imply from 'the two thousand years of Torah', that Torah would come to an end once the two thousand years of Mashi'ach began - because the Tana only refers to the 'two thousand years of Torah' to balance the 'two thousand years of void' (which did come to an end with the two thousand years of Torah).
What did Eliyahu ha'Navi tell Rav Yehudah the brother of Rav Sala Chasida about eighty-five Yovlos?
What did he reply when Rav Yehudah asked him whether ...
... Mashi'ach will come at the beginning of the last Yovel or at the end?
... the time would elapse before Mashi'ach comes or not (see Agados Maharsha)?
According to Rav Ashi's interpretation, Rav Yehudah's questions are irrelevant. How does Rav Ashi interpret Eliyahu's statement?
Eliyahu ha'Navi told Rav Yehudah the brother of Rav Sala Chasida that - this world will not last less than eighty-five Yovlos, and that in the last Yovel, Mashi'ach will come.
When Rav Yehudah asked him whether ...
... Mashi'ach will come at the beginning of the last Yovel or at the end - he replied that he did not know.
... the time will elapse before Mashi'ach comes or not (see Agados Maharsha) - he replied that he did not know that either.
According to Rav Ashi's interpretation, Rav Yehudah's questions are irrelevant, because in his opinion, what Eliyahu said was that - Mashi'ach will not come before eighty-five Yovlos have elapsed, and that once they have, one should expect his arrival at any time.
Rav Chanan bar Tachlifa informed Rav Yosef that he found someone with an authentic scroll. How did he ...
... obtain the scroll?
... know that it was authentic?
What did the scroll say about the year 4231? What are 'Milchamos Taninim'?
When will Hash-m renew His world ...
... according to the scroll,
... according to Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava?
Rav Chanan bar Tachlifa informed Rav Yosef that he found someone with an authentic scroll. He ...
... found the scroll - in a national treasury, whilst in the employ of a Roman soldier.
... knew that it was authentic - because it was written in the Ashuri script and in Lashon ha'Kodesh (see Agados Maharsha).
The scroll stated that - after the year 4231, the battles of the Taninim (fish [possibly the Livyasan]- see also Agados Maharsha) and those of Gog and Magog would terminate, and the days of Mashi'ach would arrive ...
... though Hash-m will only renew His world ...
... after the year 7000, according to the scroll.
... according to Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava - only after the year 5000.
What does the Tana quoting Rebbi Nasan, mean when, commenting on the Pasuk in Chavakuk "Im Yismahmah, Chakeh lo", it states 'Mikra Zeh Nokev ve'Yored ad ha'Tehom'?
'Not like various Tana'im, according to whom Mashi'ach should already have come. When was he due to arrive, according to ...
... our Rebbes who Darshened the Pasuk in Daniel "ad Idan Idunin u'Pelag Idan"? What is the significance of that number?
... Rebbi Simla'i, who Darshened the Pasuk in Tehilim "Ha'achaltem Lechem Dim'ah, va'Tashkeimo bi'Dema'os Shalish"?
... Rebbi Akiva, who Darshened the Pasuk in Chagai "Od Achas Me'at, va'Ani Mar'ish es ha'Shamayim ve'es ha'Aretz?
The Pasuk in Chagai is referring to various kingdoms in the time of the second Beis-Hamikash, after which genuine sovereignty ceased. What does the Tana mean when he says ...
... 'Malchus Rishon Shiv'im Shanah'?
... 'Malchus Sheini Chamishim u'Shetayim'?
How long did the reign of ben Kuziba (bar Kochba) last?
When the Tana quoting Rebbi Nasan, commenting on the Pasuk in Chavakuk "Im Yismahmah, Chakeh lo", states 'Mikra Zeh Nokev ve'Yored ad ha'Tehom', he means that - just as one cannot fathom the depths of the sea, so too, can one not fathom the date of the coming of Mashi'ach (one just has to wait, longingly and patiently, for the time to arrive ["Ki Vo Yavo, Lo Ye'acher"]).
'Not like various Tana'im, according to whom Mashi'ach should already have arrived. According to ...
... our Rebbes, who Darshened the Pasuk in Daniel "ad Idan Idunin u'Pelag Idan" , he was due to arrive - 1400 years (three and a half times four hundred [the years of Galus Mitzrayim) following Daniel's prophecy.
... Rebbi Simla'i, who Darshened the Pasuk in Tehilim "Ha'achaltem Lechem Dim'ah, va'Tashkeimo bi'Dema'os Sha'lish", he ought to have arrived - 1410 years later (three times the 400 years of Galus Mitzrayim plus three times the 70 of Galus Bavel).
... Rebbi Akiva, who Darshened the Pasuk in Chagai "Od Achas Me'at, va'Ani Mar'ish es ha'Shamayim ve'es ha'Aretz - they would only merit a short period of Malchus during the period of the second Beis-ha'Mikdash, and that would come to an end before the Churban Bayis Sheini.
The Pasuk in Chagai is referring to various kingdoms in the time of the second Beis-Hamikash, after which genuine sovereignty ceased. When the Tana says ...
... 'Malchus Rishon Shiv'im Shanah', he means that - it was only during the first seventy years of the Malchus Chashona'im, of the hundred and three listed in their name in the Seider Olam, that they enjoyed genuine sovereignty.
... 'Malchus Sheini Chamishim u'Shetayim', he means that of the hundred and three years listed there in the name of Malchus Hurdus (Herod) - he only enjoyed fifty-two of genuine sovereignty.
The reign of ben Kuziba (bar Kochba) lasted - two and a half years.
How does Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeni Amar Rebbi Yonasan interpret the Pasuk in Chavakuk "ve'Ya'fe'ach le'Ketz ve'Lo Yechazev"?
In fact, even Hash-m awaits the coming of Mashi'ach, as the Pasuk in Yeshayah writes "Lachen, Yechakeh Hash-m La'chananchem". If Hash-m longs for Mashi'ach and so do we, then why does he not come?
Seeing as we do not know when Mashi'ach is due to arrive, (neither will waiting for him bring him any sooner) what is the point of waiting (since this merely leads to disappointment - Agados Maharsha)?
From which Pasuk in Yeshayah do we learn this?
Rebbi Shmuel bar Nachmeni Amar Rebbi Yonasan interprets the Pasuk in Chavakuk "ve'Yafe'ach le'Ketz ve'Lo Yechazev" to mean that - those who reckon the coming of Mashi'ach, and when he fails to arrive, they conclude that he will not come at all, will perish ('Teipach Atzman [or Rucham', as the Rambam writes]).
In fact, even Hash-m awaits the coming of Mashi'ach, as the Pasuk writes in Yeshayah "Lachen, Yechakeh Hash-m La'chananchem". Even though Hash-m longs for Mashi'ach and so do we, he does not come - because the Midas ha'Din does not let him.
Despite the fact that we do not know when Mashi'ach is due to arrive, (neither will waiting for him bring him any sooner), it is nevertheless a Mitzvah to wait (even though waiting merely leads to disappointment - Agados Maharsha) - because awaiting him itself earns us a reward.
We learn this from the Pasuk in Yeshayah - "Ashrei Kol Chochei lo" (Praiseworthy is the one who awaits his arrival).
What does Abaye learn from the word "lo" (in the Pasuk in Yeshayah that we just quoted)?
How does Rava interpret the Pasuk in Yechezkel (in connection with Yerushalayim shel Ma'alah) "Saviv Shemonah-Asar Elef"?
How do we reconcile Abaye and Rava's statements?
What did Chizkiyah Amar Rebbi Yirmiyah in the name of Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai say about people who were constantly growing in stature (spiritually) assuming there were ...
... a thousand?
... a hundred?
... two?
How do we then reconcile this with Abaye, according to whom there are thirty-six Tzadikim who see with a clear vision?
Abaye learns from the the word lo" (in the Pasuk in Yeshayah that we just quoted) that - in each generation, there are at least thirty-six Tzadikim (the numerical value of "lo") who receive the Shechinah.
Rava interprets the Pasuk in Yechezkel (in connection with Yerushalayim shel Ma'alah) "Saviv Shemonah-Asar Elef" - with reference to the eighteen thousand Tzadikim comprising the front row of Neshamos who stand before Hash-m (far more than the thirty-six per generation of Abaye).
We reconcile Abaye and Rava's statements - by establishing Abaye by Tzadikim who have a clear vision (who see the shine of the Shechinah in its full brilliance from up close ['be'Ispaklarya ha'Me'irah']), and Rava, by those who see it dimmed from afar ('be'Ispaklarya she'Einah Me'irah').
Chizkiyah Amar Rebbi Yirmiyah in the name of Rebbi Shimon bar Yochai said that if the people who were constantly growing in stature (spiritually) would number ...
... a thousand - then he and his son, Rebbi Elazar, would be among them.
... a hundred - then he and his son, Rebbi Elazar, would be among them.
... two - then he and his son, Rebbi Elazar, were they.
We reconcile this with Abaye, according to whom there are thirty-six Tzadikim who see with a clear vision - by establishing his statement with regard to those who require permission to enter, whereas Rebbi Shimon is speaking about those who do not.
According to Rav, all the 'Kitzin' had already passed in his time. So when will Mashi'ach come?
When Shmuel says 'Dayo le'Aveil she'Ya'amod be'Evlo', he is referring either to Hash-m (who is mourning for Yisrael in Galus, but, like an Aveil, the period of mourning must come to an automatic end. To whom else might he be referring?
What did Rebbi Yehoshua say to Rebbi Eliezer, when he said that the Ge'ulah depends exclusively on Teshuvah?
According to Rav, all the 'Kitzin' had already passed in his time, and Mashi'ach will come - when we do Teshuvah and perform good deeds.
When Shmuel says 'Dayo le'Aveil she'Ya'amod be'Evlo', he is referring either to Hash-m (who is mourning for Yisrael in Galus, but, like an Aveil, the period of mourning must come to an automatic end, or - to the mourning of K'lal Yisrael over their suffering, which is bound to come to an end, too.
When Rebbi Eliezer said that the Ge'ulah depends exclusively on Teshuvah, Rebbi Yehoshua replied that - if Yisrael do not perform Teshuvah under their own steam, then Hash-m will set up against them a king whose decrees resemble those of Haman, and they will be forced to do Teshuvah.
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Eliezer quotes a series of Pesukim, intimating that the Ge'ulah depends exclusively on Teshuvah (which all of Yisrael must perform), whereas Rebbi Yehoshua cites many Pesukim proving that it will come about, even if they don't. How does Rebbi Yehoshua interpret the Pasuk in ...
... Yeshayah "Chinam Nimkartem, ve'Lo be'Kesef Tiga'elu"? What does he prove from this Pasuk?
... Yirmiyah "Ki Anochi Ba'alti bachem, ve'Lakachti eschem Echad me'Ir u'Shenayim mi'Mishpachah"?
... Yeshayah "Koh Amar Hash-m, Ho'el Yisrael ... li'Vezoh Nefesh li'Mesa'ev Goy le'Eved Moshlim, Melachim Yir'u va'Kamu, Sarim va'Yishtachavu"?
What does Rebbi Yehoshua finally prove from the Pasuk in Daniel "va'Eshma es ha'Ish ... ve'Yishava be'Chayei Olam ki le'Mo'ed Mo'adim va'Chetzi ... "?
How does he prove it from there?
In another Beraisa, Rebbi Eliezer quotes a series of Pesukim, intimating that the Ge'ulah depends exclusively on Teshuvah, whereas Rebbi Yehoshua cites many Pesukim proving that it will come about, even if they don't. Rebbi Yehoshua explains the Pasuk in ...
... Yeshayah "Chinam Nimkartem, ve'Lo be'Kesef Tiga'elu" to mean that - Yisrael were sold into Galus for worshipping idols, and they will be redeemed even without Teshuvah.
... Yirmiyah "Ki Anochi Ba'alti bachem, ve'Lakachti eschem Echad me'Ir u'Shenayim mi'Mishpachah" to mean that - Hash-m will take them us out of Galus by force (even if they have not done Teshuvah).
... Yeshayah "Koh Amar Hash-m, Ho'el Yisrael ... le'Vezoh Nefesh li'Mesa'ev Goy le'Eved Moshlim, Melachim Yir'u va'Kamu, Sarim va'Yishtachavu" to mean that - He will redeem the same disgusting and abominable people whom He sent into exile, even if they do not do Teshuvah on their own volition.
Rebbi Yehoshua finally proves from the Pasuk in Daniel "va'Eshma es ha'Ish ... ve'Yishava be'Chayei Olam ki le'Mo'ed Mo'adim va'Chetzi ... " that - Mashi'ach will come even without Teshuvah, if necessary ...
... since the time limit mentioned there says nothing about the prerequisite of Teshuvah.