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MISCARRIAGES OF NON-HUMAN FORMS (Yerushalmi Perek 3 Halachah 2 Daf 9b)

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(Mishnah): If one was Mapeles k'Min (something resembling) a scab, hair, earth or red mosquitoes (Aruch - worms), she casts it into water. If they dissolve, she is Tamei.

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If one was Mapeles k'Min fish, grasshoppers, Shekatzim or Remashim (insects or swarming creatures) -- if blood came out with them, she is Teme'ah. If not, she is Tehorah.

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R. Meir says, if she was Mapeles k'Min a Behemah, Chayah or bird, whether Tamei or Tahor - if it is male, she sits (observes Tum'as Yoledes) Zachar; if it is female, she sits (for Yoledes) Nekevah. If we do not know the gender, she sits for (adopts the stringencies of Yoledes) Zachar and Nekevah.

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(d)

Chachamim say, non-human forms are not considered children. (She is not a Yoledes.)

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(e)

(Gemara - R. Chaninah citing Reish Lakish): [In the Reisha,] she casts it in warm water.

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Question (Mishnah): If one was Mapeles k'Min fish, grasshoppers, Shekatzim or Remashim, if blood came out with them, she is Teme'ah. If not, she is Tehorah.

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She should cast it into warm water!

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Answer: This (the Reisha) is learned from that (the Seifa), and that is learned from this;

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This is learned from that - if they dissolve, she is Tamei. If not, she is Tahor. (Our Mishnah did not explicitly discuss if they do not dissolve.)

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And that is learned from this - if there is blood with them, she is Tamei. If not, she is Tahor, [but] she casts them into warm water (and if they dissolve, she is Tamei).

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(Mishnah): (A dry Sheretz or Neveilah is Metamei only if it can soak and return to like it was.) How long must it soak in warm water (and not return, in order to rule that it is Tahor)? It is me'Es la'Es.

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(i)

Yehudah ben Nekusah says, the water must be warm for [the entire] me'Es la'Es. How does he do this? He puts [the Kli that contains the water] in hot coals, or he constantly adds hot water.

(j)

If one was Mapeles dry blood, R. Lazar says, she is Tamei. R. Yosi ben Chaninah says, she is Tahor.

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(k)

Question: A Mishnah argues with R. Yosi ben Chaninah! [It says that] Dam Nidah and dead flesh are Metamei whether they are moist or dry!

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(l)

Answer: He explains that this is when they were moist, and dried.

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Question: Our Mishnah argues with R. Lazar! [It says that] if one was Mapeles k'Min a scab, hair, earth or red mosquitoes, she casts it into water. If they dissolve, she is Tamei (but if not, she is Tahor)!

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Answer: He explains that this is because it is considered a creation (it is not Dam Nidah).

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(R. Ze'ira): Even if you will ask from earth, earth is a creation.

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(R. Ba): Even if you will ask from earth, a woman can become pregnant with earth; it gets the status of a creation.

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Question: A Beraisa argues with R. Yosi ben Chaninah! A case occurred in which a woman was Mapeles k'Min red scabs, and the case came in front of Chachamim. They sent and called doctors, and [the doctors] said that she has a wound inside;

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There was another case of a woman that fell from her [Ervah] k'Min red hairs, and the case came in front of Chachamim. They sent and called doctors, and [the doctors] said that she has a wart inside;

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Inference: [They were Metaher] because she has a wart, and because she has a wound - but if she did not have a wart or wound, no (she would be Tamei)!

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Conclusion: These [episodes] are unlike [R. Yosi ben Chaninah]. We cannot resolve [his opinion with them].

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(R. Yochanan): This birth (k'Min a Behemah, Chayah or bird, but the face is human - R. Meir is Metamei) is like all births in the Torah. Just like all births in the Torah, until Rosho v'Rubo (the head or majority of the body) leave, also this (is not born) until Rosho v'Rubo leave;

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(Reish Lakish): This birth is unlike all births in the Torah. All births in the Torah, are not until Rosho v'Rubo leave. This one (since Tum'ah depends on a human face) is until enough leaves in order to recognize the face.

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Question: What is the difference between them?

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(v)

Answer: If it left cut up or out of order (the head last) - according to R. Yochanan, it is not born until the head or majority of the body leave. According to Reish Lakish, it is not born until enough leaves to recognize the face.