MENACHOS 90 (5 Sivan) - Dedicated l'Zecher Nishmas Reb Chaim Aryeh ben Aharon Stern Z'L by Shmuel Gut of Brooklyn, N.Y.

1)

(a)Our Mishnah states that all the Midos in the Mikdash were Gadush (heaped) except for one. Which one?

(b)Why was that?

(c)What distinction does the Tana draw between Midas ha'Lach and Midas ha'Yavesh with regard to the Birutzin (that what spills over the side)?

(d)Rebbi Akiva ascribes this to the fact that Midas ha'Lach is itself sanctified, whereas Midas ha'Yavesh is not. Rebbi Yossi maintains that both Keilim are sanctified. Then why the difference between the Birutzei Lach and the Birutzei Yavesh?

1)

(a)Our Mishnah states that all the Midos in the Mikdash were Gadush (heaped) except for - the Chavitei Kohen Gadol ...

(b)... which did not need to be Gadush - because it was larger than the others to the extend that even when it was Machuk (level), it contained the same amount as the others when they were Gadush.

(c)The distinction the Tana draws between Midas ha'Lach and Midas ha'Yavesh is - that the Birutzei (that what spills over the side) Midas ha'Lach is Kodesh, whereas the Birutzei Midas ha'Yavesh is Chol.

(d)Rebbi Akiva ascribes this to the fact that the former (Midas ha'Lach) is itself sanctified, whereas the latter is not. According to Rebbi Yossi, who maintains that both Keilim are sanctified on the inside (as we shall see), the difference between them is due to the fact that - whereas the Birutzei Lach were already joined to the liquid that is inside the K'li, the Birutzei Yavesh were not.

2)

(a)What problem do we have with our Mishnah, which states 'Kol Midos she'ba'Mikdash Nigdashos ... '? How many Midos are there according to ...

1. ... Rebbi Meir?

2. ... the Rabbanan?

(b)How do we therefore amend the Mishnah?

2)

(a)The problem with our Mishnah, which states 'Kol Midos she'ba'Mikdash Nigdashos ... ' is - that according to ...

1. ... Rebbi Meir, there are two measures, one Gadush and one Machuk (so how can the Tana speak of 'all the Midos', as if there were many).

2. ... the Rabbanan, there is only one.

(b)So we amend the Mishnah to read (instead of 'Kol ha'Midos') 'Kol ha'Medidos ... ' (meaning that all measuring is performed with the Gedushah, except for those of the Chavitei Kohen Gadol, where they used the Machuk.

3)

(a)The Tana Kama (as well as Rebbi Akiva) holds that the Midas ha'Lach was anointed both inside and outside. What does he then hold regarding Midas ha'Yavesh?

(b)If Rebbi Akiva holds that even the inside of the Midas ha'Yavesh was not anointed, then how do the contents of the K'li become sanctified?

(c)Then why are the Birutzin not sanctified too?

(d)And what does Rebbi Yossi (whom we already discussed in the Mishnah, and) who does not differentiate between Midas ha'Lach and Midas Yavesh, hold? What is sanctified and what is not?

3)

(a)The Tana Kama (as well as Rebbi Akiva) holds that the Midas ha'Lach was anointed both inside and outside, whereas the Midas ha'Yavesh - was sanctified on the inside, but not on the outside.

(b)Rebbi Akiva holds that even though the inside of the Midas ha'Yavesh was not annointed either - the contents became sanctified through Kedushas ha'Peh (a verbal declaration).

(c)Nevertheless, the Birutzin are not sanctified - because the owner only intends to sanctify what remains inside the K'li, but not what spills over the side.

(d)Whereas Rebbi Yossi (whom we already discussed in the Mishnah, and) who does not differentiate between Midas ha'Lach and Midas Yavesh, holds - that both measurements are sanctified inside but not outside.

4)

(a)We ask on Rebbi Yossi how the Birutzei ha'Lach can become sanctified, seeing as the owner did not intend them to. What principle does Rav Dimi bar Shishna in the name of Rav learn from here?

(b)Ravina ascribes the Kedushah to a decree of the Chachamim. Which decree?

(c)In which point does he argue with Rav Dimi bar Shishna?

4)

(a)We ask on Rebbi Yossi how the Birutzei ha'Lach can become sanctified, seeing as the owner did not intend them to. Rav Dimi bar Shishna in the name of Rav learns from here - the principle 'K'lei Shareis Mekadshin she'Lo mi'Da'as'.

(b)Ravina ascribes the Kedushah to a decree of the Chachamim - who were afraid that people might learn from there that one is permitted to take Kodesh from a K'li Shareis and declare it Chol.

(c)He argues with Rav Dimi bar Shishna in that he holds - 'K'lei Shareis Ein Mekadshin Ela mi'Da'as'.

5)

(a)What does the Beraisa say about the Lechem ha'Panim and the Bazichin that are placed on the Shulchan only after Shabbos (instead of on Shabbos), if the latter are then burned on the following Shabbos?

(b)What should the Kohanim have done?

(c)Why would it not then have becomes Pasul be'Linah?

(d)What does Rebbi Zeira ask from there on Ravina? What ought Chazal to have decreed according to him?

(e)What do we mean when we answer 'Chutz a'Penim Karamis!'? What is the significance of the fact that the Lechem ha'Panim are placed in the Heichal, whereas the measuring of the Menachos takes place in the Azarah?

5)

(a)The Beraisa rules that if the Lechem ha'Panim and the Bazichin are placed on the Shulchan only after Shabbos (instead of on Shabbos), and the latter is then burned on the following Shabbos - the Lechem ha'Panim are Pasul (because they need to be on the Shulchan for two Shabbasos before the Bazichin are burned).

(b)The Kohanim should have left the loaves on the Shulchan together with the Bazichin until the Shabbos, despite the fact that they remain on the Shulchan for longer than the prescribed seven days ...

(c)... since the Lechem ha'Panim are not subject to Linah.

(d)Rebbi Zeira asks from there on Ravina - according to whom Chazal ought to have decreed for fear that people will learn from there to leave things that are Kadosh in a K'li Shareis, believing that Linah can never occur to Kodesh that is placed in a K'li Shareis.

(e)We answer 'Chutz a'Penim Karamis!' by which we mean - that we cannot really ask on Ravina from the Lechem ha'Panim, which are placed in the Heichal, an area that is only frequented by Kohanim, who are generally alert, and not prone to such mistakes, whereas the measuring of the Menachos takes place in the Azarah (which is accessible to everybody).

6)

(a)What does the Mishnah in Shekalim say happens to 'Mosar Nesachim'?

(b)According to Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef, Mosar Nesachim refers to Birutzei Midos. What does Rebbi Yochanan say?

(c)Rebbi Yochanan's explanation is based on another Mishnah in Shekalim. What does the Tana say there about someone who receives payment to provide flour for the Menachos at ...

1. ... four Sa'ah per Sela, and the rate goes up to three?

2. ... three Sa'a per Sela, and the rate drops to four?

(d)Which principle governs this dual ruling?

6)

(a)The Mishnah in Shekalim rules that Mosar Nesachim - goes to Kayitz ha'Mizbe'ach.

(b)According to Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef, Mosar Nesachim refers to Birutzei Midos. Rebbi Yochanan defines it as - the excess over what someone who undertakes to supply the Menachos for a year has to provide, as we will now explain.

(c)Rebbi Yochanan's explanation is based on another Mishnah in Shekalim, where the Tana rules that someone who receives payment to provide flour for the Menachos at ...

1. ... four Sa'ah per Sela, and the rate goes up to three - must continue to supply four.

2. ... three Sa'ah per Sela, and the rate drops to four - becomes obligated to supply four.

(d)The principle that governs this dual ruling is - 'Yad Hekdesh al ha'Elyonah' (Hekdesh always has the upperhand).

7)

(a)We cite a Beraisa in support of Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef, and a Beraisa in support of Rebbi Yochanan. What does the first Beraisa say about the Birutzei Midos? What does one do with them initially?

(b)What happens to the Birutzei ha'Midos if there is ...

1. ... a Korban available, but they are not brought together with it?

2. ... no Korban available with which to bring them?

(c)The Tana rules that 'Kayitz ha'Mizbe'ach' is brought on the Mizbe'ach as an Olas Tzibur. What happens to the skin?

(d)What would we otherwise have thought had the Tana not taught us this?

7)

(a)We cite a Beraisa in support of Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef, and a Beraisa in support of Rebbi Yochanan. The first Beraisa rules that initially - the Birutzei Midos should be brought together with another Korban (which causes them to become sanctified) should one become available.

(b)If there is ...

1. ... and the Birutzei ha'Midos are not brought together with it - they become Pasul be'Linah (see Rambam).

2. ... not - then they are sold and with the proceeds one purchases Olos for Kayitz ha'Mizbe'ach.

(c)The Tana rules that 'Kayitz ha'Mizbe'ach' is brought on the Mizbe'ach as an Olas Tzibur - and the skin is given to the Kohanim (of the Mishmar that is serving that week in the Beis-Hamikdash).

(d)If the Tana had not told us this, we might otherwise have thought - that the skin must be sold together with the rest of the animal, and used to purchase Olos for Kayitz ha'Mizbe'ach.

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8)

(a)Our Mishnah teaches us that all Korbanos require Minchas Nesachim except for five. Which ...

1. ... three Kodshim Kalim do not require Nesachim?

2. ... two Kodshei Kodshim do not require them either?

(b)Only one Chatas and one Asham require Nesachim. Which one?

8)

(a)Our Mishnah teaches us that all Korbanos require Minchas Nesachim except for five. The ...

1. ... three Kodshim Kalim that do not require Nesachim are - B'chor, Ma'aser and Pesach.

2. ... two Kodshei Kodshim that do not require them either are - Chatas and Asham.

(b)The only Chatas and Asham that require Nesachim are - those of a Metzora.

9)

(a)The Pasuk in Korach "Va'asisem Isheh la'Hashem Olah O Zevach" refers to the Din of Nesachim. What, according to the Beraisa, does the word "Olah" come to preclude?

(b)If "Zevach" includes Shelamim in the Din of Nesachim, from where does the Tana include Todah?

(c)What does the Tana learn from "Lefalei Neder O Nedavah"?

(d)And what does he then include from "O be'Mo'adeichem"?

9)

(a)The Pasuk in Korach "Va'asisem Isheh la'Hashem Olah O Zevach" refers to the Din of Nesachim. According to the Beraisa, the word "Olah" comes to preclude - a Minchah that is brought on its own (without a Korban) from the Din of Nesachim.

(b)"Zevach" includes Shelamim in the Din of Nesachim, and the Tana includes Todah - from the word "O".

(c)The Tana learns from "Lefalei Neder O Nedavah" - that only Korb'nos Nedavah require Nesachim, but not Korb'nos Chovah.

(d)Nevertheless, from "O be'Mo'adeichem" - he includes Olos Re'iyah and Shalmei Chagigah in the Din of Nesachim (even though they are Korb'nos Chovah of Yom-Tov).

10)

(a)Based on the previous ruling, what does the Beraisa learn from "ve'Chi Sa'aseh ben Bakar" (bearing in mind that the Pasuk already mentioned "min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon")?

(b)On what grounds do we include Olos Re'iyah and Shalmei Chagigah (from "O be'Mo'adeichem") but preclude the Sa'ir Chatas (from "ve'Chi Sa'aseh ben Bakar")?

(c)Having already mentioned "O Zevach", what does the Tana learn from "min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon" (in the continuation of the Pasuk "La'asos Rei'ach Nicho'ach la'Hashem min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon")? What kind of Korban does it come to preclude?

(d)This last point is the opinion of Rebbi Yashiyah. On what grounds does Rebbi Yonasan disagree with him?

10)

(a)Based on the previous ruling, the Beraisa learns from "ve'Chi Sa'aseh ben Bakar" (bearing in mind that the Pasuk already mentioned "min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon") - that the Se'irei Chatas of Yom-Tov are precluded from the Din of Nesachim.

(b)We include Olos Re'iyah and Shalmei Chagigah (from "O be'Mo'adeichem") but preclude the Sa'ir Chatas (from "ve'Chi Sa'aseh ben Bakar") - because there are Olos and Shelamim which come as Nedavos, but not Chata'os.

(c)In spite of having already mentioned "O Zevach", from "min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon" (in the continuation of the Pasuk "La'asos Rei'ach Nicho'ach la'Hashem min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon") - the Tana precludes an Olas ha'Of from the Din of Nesachim.

(d)This last point is the opinion of Rebbi Yashiyah. Rebbi Yonasan disagrees with him - on the grounds that the Torah writes "Zevach", and a Korban Of is not called a Zevach.

11)

(a)What does Rebbi Yonasan therefore learn from " ... min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon", based on the Pasuk in Vayikra "Adam ki Yakriv ... min ha'Bakar u'min ha'Tzon"?

(b)What problem do we have this D'rashah? What does Rebbi Yonasan say that at first glance, renders this D'rashah redundant?

(c)How do we counter this Kashya, based on the words "u'min ha'Tzon"?

(d)Then why does the 'Vav' in "Aviv ve'Imo Kilel" not have the same implications?

11)

(a)based on the Pasuk in Vayikra "Adam ki Yakriv ... min ha'Bakar u'min ha'Tzon", Rebbi Yonasan learns from " ... min ha'Bakar O min ha'Tzon" - that someone who declares a Neder to bring an Olah, may bring either the one or the other, and is not obligated to bring both (as the earlier Pasuk implies).

(b)The problem with this D'rashah is that according to Rebbi Yonasan himself - whenever the Torah does not write "Yachdav", it means either or, and not both (at first glance, rendering this D'rashah redundant).

(c)And we counter this argument - by explaining that the 'Vav' in "u'min ha'Tzon" is as if the Torah had written "Yachdav".

(d)The 'Vav' in "u'Mekalel Aviv ve'Imo" however, does not have the same implications - because the Torah has no choice other than to write it (otherwise, the Torah would appear to be speaking about where a person's father cursed his mother). Consequently, it is not subject to a D'rashah.

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