1)

(a)We just established that neither Rebbi Meir ('Hiskadshi Li bi'Shtar Chov ... Mekudeshes') nor the Rabanan (' ... Einah Mekudeshes') hold like Rebbi ('Osiyos Niknos bi'Mesirah'), that they both hold like Rav Papa ('Tzarich Lemichtav K'ni Lach Hu v'Chol Shibudei'), and that they argue over Shmuel's Din ('ha'Mocher Shtar Chov la'Chaveiro, v'Chazar u'Machlo, Machul'). How is it be possible for Rebbi Meir to hold like Shmuel, and still to rule 'Mekudeshes'?

(b)Their Machlokes by Milveh Al Peh concerns Rav Huna Amar Rav. What does Rav Huna say regarding 'Ma'amad Sheloshtan'?

(c)What is then the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim?

1)

(a)We just established that neither Rebbi Meir ('Hiskadshi Li bi'Sh'tar Chov ... Mekudeshes') nor the Rabbanan ('... Einah Mekudeshes') hold like Rebbi (Osiyos Niknos bi'Mesirah), that they both hold like Rav Papa (Tzarich Lemichtav K'ni Lach Hu ve'Chol Shibudei'), and that they argue over Shmuel's Din ('ha'Mocher Sh'ar Chov la'Chaveiro, ve'Chazar u'Machlo, Machul'). It is possible for Rebbi Meir to hold like Shmuel, and still to rule 'Mekudeshes' in that the woman trusts that the man who betroths her is will never waive the debt and leave her in the lurch.

(b)Their Machlokes by Milveh al Peh concerns Rav Huna Amar Rav, who says that if Reuven instructs Shimon to give the Manah that he has of his to Levi, in the presence of Levi, then Levi acquires it immediately (even though no other Kinyan took place).

(c)And the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim is whether 'Ma'amad Sheloshtan' extends to Milveh (Rebbi Meir) or whether it is confined to Pikadon (the Rabbanan).

2)

(a)'Hiskadshi Li bi'Shtar, Rebbi Meir Omer Einah Mekudeshes, v'Rebbi Elazar Omer Mekudeshes'. What do the Chachamim say?

(b)Does it make any difference whether the paper is worth a Perutah or not, according to ...

1. ... Rebbi Meir?

2. ... Rebbi Elazar?

(c)Why could the Tana of the Beraisa not be speaking about a Shtar Chov of others? What problem would that create with Rebbi Meir?

(d)So how do we initially try to establish the Beraisa? What do we try and prove with that?

2)

(a)'Hiskadshi li bi'Shtar, Rebbi Meir Omer Einah Mekudeshes, ve'Rebbi Elazar Omer Mekudeshes'. The Chachamim say 'Mekudeshes' provided the paper is worth a Perutah.

(b)According to ...

1. ... Rebbi Meir, she is not Mekudeshes even if the paper is worth a Perutah (because she is only concerned with the contents of the Sh'tar, not with the Sh'tar itself).

2. ... Rebbi Elazar, she is Mekudeshes even if the paper is not worth a Perutah, for reasons that we will now discuss.

(c)The Tana of the Beraisa could not be speaking about a Sh'tar Chov of others, because that would create a problem with Rebbi Meir whom we just saw holds that, in such a case, she is Mekudeshes.

(d)So we initially try to establish the Beraisa by the Sh'tar Chov that he has on her, proving that Rav's Din ('ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh Einah Mekudeshes') is actually a Machlokes Tana'im.

3)

(a)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore establishes the Beraisa by a Shtar Kidushin without witnesses. What is then the basis of the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Elazar?

(b)What does 'Karsi' mean?

(c)And what is the reasoning behind the Chachamim's ruling?

(d)What if the paper is not worth a Perutah?

3)

(a)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore establishes the Beraisa by a Sh'tar Kidushin without witnesses, and the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Elazar, based on an old Machlokes of theirs is whether 'Eidei Chasimah Karsi' (it is the witnesses who sign the document who validate it [Rebbi Meir]), or 'Eidei Mesirah Karsi' (it is the witnesses who see it being handed over that count [Rebbi Elazar]).

(b)'Karsi' means who validate the Get Kerisus' (because their basic Machlokes concerns a Get).

(c)The Chachamim are in doubt as to whether to follow the opinion of Rebbi Meir or that of Rebbi Elazar, so they validate the Kidushin, provided the paper is worth a Perutah (because the woman's mind is on the paper too), but ...

(d)... if the paper is not worth a Perutah it will be a Safek Kidushin.

4)

(a)Alternatively, they argue over Reish Lakish's She'eilah regarding a Shtar Kidushin that iss written she'Lo Lishmah. What are the two sides of the She'eilah? Why might it be ...

1. ... Pasul?

2. ... Kosher?

(b)How does Reish Lakish himself conclude?

(c)Alternatively, both Tana'im hold like Reish Lakish. What then is the basis of their Machlokes?

(d)This too, is a Machlokes Amora'im. What is the reason ...

1. ... of Rava and Ravina who validate such a Shtar Kidushin?

2. ... of Rav Papa and Rav Sh'ravya who declare it void?

4)

(a)Alternatively, they argue over Resh Lakish's She'eilah regarding a Sh'tar Kidushin that is written she'Lo Lishmah, which will be ...

1. ... Pasul if we compare 'Havayah to Yetzi'ah' (based on the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "ve'Yatz'ah ... ve'Haysah").

2. ... Kasher if we compare Kidushei Sh'tar to Kidushei Kesef (which does not require Lishmah).

(b)Resh Lakish himself concludes "ve'Yatz'ah ve'Haysah" 'Makish Havayah li'Yetzi'ah' (in which case a Sh'tar Kidushin that is written she'Lo Lishmah is Pasul).

(c)Alternatively, both Tana'in hold like Resh Lakish, and their Machlokes evolves around a Sh'tar that was written Lishmah but without the woman's knowledge, which Rebbi Meir invalidates and Rebbi Elazar declares valid.

(d)This too, is a Machlokes Amora'im. The reason ...

1. ... of Rava and Ravina who validate such a Sh'tar Kidushin is because they learn it from Get (via "ve'Yatz'ah ve'Haysah"), which does not require the woman's consent in writing it.

2. ... of Rav Papa and Rav Sh'ravya who declare it void because they too learn it from Get, but from the fact that the writing of the Sh'tar requires the knowledge of the Makneh (the man). Consequently, Kidushin requires the consent of the Makneh (the woman) too.

5)

(a)If a woman asks a man to betroth her with the Shirin, Nezamin v'Taba'os that he makes for her, Rebbi Meir in a Beraisa validates the Kidushin as soon as they are completed. What are ...

1. ... Shirin?

2. ... Nezamin?

3. ... Taba'os?

(b)What do the Chachamim say?

(c)When the Chachamim say 'Ad she'Yagi'a Mamon l'Yadah', why can they not be referring to the finished product?

5)

(a)If a woman asks a man to betroth her with the Shirin, Nezamin ve'Taba'os that he makes for her, Rebbi Meir in a Beraisa validates the Kidushin as soon as they are completed.

1. 'Shirin' are bracelets ...

2. 'Nezamin' nose-rings, and ...

3. 'Taba'os' rings that are worn on the fingers.

(b)The Chachamim invalidate the Kidushin until he gives her money.

(c)When the Chachamim say 'Ad she'Yagi'a Mamon le'Yadah', they cannot be referring to the finished product because if Rebbi Meir does not even require that, then with what is she Mekudeshes?

6)

(a)Assuming that they mean other money, how do we try to establish the Machlokes?

(b)What is the loan in this case?

(c)What are we trying to prove with this?

(d)How do we initially establish both opinions like Rav? How else might we explain Rebbi Meir, who says Mekudeshes?

6)

(a)Assuming that they mean other money, we try to establish the Machlokes with regard to 'ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh' (Rebbi Meir holds 'Mekudeshes', and the Rabbanan 'Einah Mekudeshes').

(b)The loan in this case is the payment that the woman owes the man (based on the assumption that 'Yeshnah li'Sechirus mi'Techilah ve'Ad Sof' ['the hirer is obligated to pay the worker Perutah by Perutah']).

(c)We are trying to prove once again that Rav's Din is actually a Machlokes Tana'im.

(d)We initially establish both opinions like Rav by explaining that Rebbi Meir holds 'Einah li'Sechirus Ela li'be'Sof' ('the obligation to pay only falls due when the hirer receives the finished product'), in which case there is no loan involved.

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7)

(a)We just established the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim by whether the Sechirus only falls due at the end, or whether the hirer becomes obligated Perutah by Perutah. We subsequently suggest that both Tana'im might even hold ...

1. ... the latter possibility and ha'Mekadesh b'Milveh Einah Mekudeshes'. What then, is the basis of their Machlokes? What sort of craftsman are they arguing about?

2. ... that the craftsman does not acquire the vessel that he has made. What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(b)The Tana Kama of another Beraisa differentiates between a man who betroths a woman 'bi'Sechar she'Asisi Imach' (in the past) and 'bi'Sechar she'E'eseh Imach' (in the future). On what grounds does he say ...

1. ... 'bi'Sechar she'Asisi Imach, Einah Mekudeshes'?

2. ... 'bi'Sechar she'E'eseh Imach, Mekudeshes'?

(c)Why does Rebbi Nasan then say that even in the latter case, she is not Mekudeshes?

(d)After agreeing with the statement of Rebbi Nasan, Rebbi adds 've'Im Hosif Lah Nofach mi'she'Lo, Mekudeshes'. What does Rebbi Nasan say? Why is that?

7)

(a)We just established the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and the Chachamim by whether 'Einah li'Sechirus Ela li'be'Sof' or 'Yeshnah li'Sechirus mi'Techilah ve'Ad Sof'. We subsequently suggest that both Tana'im might even hold ...

1. ... the latter possibility, and 'ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh Einah Mekudeshes'. And the basis of their Machlokes will then concern a craftsman who is getting paid not by the day (as we thought until now, but for the job). Rebbi Meir holds that a craftsman acquires the vessel that he is making, in which case it is as if he is selling it to the owner; whereas the Chachamim hold that he does not acquire it, and the payment remains a loan (as it is in the case of a day worker).

2. ... that the craftsman does not acquire the vessel that he has made and they argue in a case where the man added a gem of his own to the product. Rebbi Meir holds Mekudeshes, because he holds 'ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh u'Perutah, Da'atah a'Perutah'; whereas the Chachamim hold 'Da'atah a'Milveh'.

(b)The Tana Kama of another Beraisa differentiates between a man who betroths a woman'bi'Sechar she'Asisi Imach' (in the past) and 'bi'Sechar she'E'eseh Imach' (in the future). He says ...

1. ... 'bi'Sechar she'Asisi Imach, Einah Mekudeshes because he holds ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh Einah Mekudeshes.

2. ... 'bi'Sechar she'E'eseh Imach, Mekudeshes' because he holds 'Einah li'Sechirus Ela li'be'Sof'.

(c)Rebbi Nasan says that even in the latter case she is not Mekudeshes because he holds 'Yeshnah li'Sechirus mi'Techilah ve'Ad Sof'.

(d)After agreeing with the statement of Rebbi Nasan, Rebbi adds 've'Im Hosif Lah Nofach mi'Shelo, Mekudeshes'; Rebbi Nasan says 'Einah Mekudeshes (because he holds 'ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh u'Perutah, Da'atah a'Milveh').

8)

(a)According to our Mishnah, what will be the Din if a man promises to betroth a woman with wine, with a golden Dinar or on condition that he is rich, and it turns out to be honey, silver or that he is poor, or vice-versa?

(b)What does Rebbi Shimon say? Which case in the Mishnah is he referring to?

8)

(a)According to our Mishnah, if a man promises to betroth a woman with wine, with a golden Dinar or on condition that he is rich, and it turns out to be honey, silver or that he is poor, or vice-versa the Kidushin is void.

(b)Rebbi Shimon, with reference to 'be'Dinar Zeh shel Kesef, ve'Nimtza shel Zahav' says 'Im Hit'ah li'Shevach (if he 'tricked' her to her advantage, so that the silver coin turns out to be a golden one), Mekudeshes'.

9)

(a)If a man says 'Hiskadshi Li b'Kos Zeh', one Beraisa rules 'Bo u'Vameh she'Besocho'. What does the Tana mean?

(b)A second Beraisa says 'Bo v'Lo Bameh she'Besocho'. What does a third Beraisa say?

(c)How do we reconcile the three Tana'im? In which case do we say ...

1. ... 'Bo u'Vameh she'Besocho'?

2. ... 'Bo v'Lo Bameh she'Besocho'?

3. ... 'Bameh she'Besocho v'Lo Bo'?

9)

(a)If a man says 'Hiskadshi Li be'Kos Zeh', one Beraisa rules 'Bo u'Vameh she'Besocho' by which the Tana means that both the cup and the contents belong to the woman and combine to make up a Perutah.

(b)A second Tana says 'Bo ve'Lo Bameh she'Besocho', and a third Tana 'Bameh she'Besocho ve'Lo Bo'.

(c)We reconcile the three Tana'im, by establishing ...

1. ... 'Bo u'Vameh she'Besocho' by fish-juice (or oil), which remains in the vessel for a long period of time.

2. ... 'Bo ve'Lo Bameh she'Besocho' by water, which has no intrinsic value.

3. ... 'Bameh she'Besocho ve'Lo Bo' by wine, since people tend to drink the wine and return the vessel.

10)

(a)What does the Beraisa rule regarding a man who paid money for vinegar and it turns out to be wine?

(b)Why does this pose a problem on Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah?

10)

(a)The Beraisa rules that if a man paid money for vinegar and it turns out to be wine, the sale is void, because there are times when a person wants vinegar and not wine.

(b)This poses a problem on Rebbi Shimon in our Mishnah because, by the same token, there are times when a person wants a silver Dinar and not a gold one (see Tosfos DH 'Ika'), so why does he rule there 'Im Hit'ah li'Shevach, Mekudeshes'.

11)

(a)Abaye tries to resolve this problem. He explained to his son that the Machlokes between the Tana Kama and Rebbi Shimon concerns a Shali'ach. What is the case? What is then the basis of their Machlokes?

(b)What is the problem with Abaye's explanation from the word ...

1. ... 'Hiskadshi Li'?

2. ... 'Hit'ah li'Shevach'?

(c)What third Kashya do we ask from 'be'Dinar Zeh shel Kesef v'Nimtza shel Zahav'?

(d)Rava resolves the problem together with Rebbi Chiya bar Avin. What title did he confer upon the latter?

11)

(a)Abaye tries to resolve this problem. He explained to his son that the Machlokes between the Tana Kama and Rebbi Shimon concerns a Shali'ach, and the basis of their Machlokes concerns a case where a man asked a Shali'ach to lend him a silver Dinar and go and use it to betroth a specified woman on his behalf; and they argue whether when he says this to a Shali'ach, he means specifically a silver Dinar (the Tana Kama) or whether we say 'Mar'eh Makom Hu Lo' (he is only indicating that he doesn't mind if he uses only a silver coin, but he would be happy if he gave her a golden one [Rebbi Shimon]).

(b)The problem with Abaye's explanation from the word ...

1. ... 'Hiskadshi Li' is that, since we are speaking about the Shali'ach who tricked the man, the Tana should have said 'Hiskadshi Lo'.

2. ... 'Hit'ah li'Shevach' is that the Tana should have said 'Hit'eihu li'Shevach' (seeing as it is the man whom he 'tricked', not the woman).

(c)The third Kashya we ask is from 'be'Dinar Zeh shel Kesef ve'Nimtza shel Zahav' where the word 've'Nimtza' is problematic, seeing as it was a golden Dinar all the time.

(d)Rava resolves the problem together with Rebbi Chiya bar Avin, upon whom he conferred the title 'Ari she'be'Chaburah' (the lion of the group).

12)

(a)In fact, Rava's answer agrees in principle with that of Abaye. What is the difference between the two answers?

(b)How does Rava then explain the statement 've'Nimtza shel Zahav'?

12)

(a)In fact, Rava's answer agrees in principle with that of Abaye (and he explains the basic Machlokes in the same way) only he establishes the Machlokes by the Shali'ach of the woman rather than the Shali'ach of the man (thereby circumventing the three Kashyos that we asked on Abaye) .

(b)Rava then explains the statement 've'Nimtza shel Zahav' to mean that when the man handed the woman's Shali'ach the gold coin, it was covered and the Shali'ach therefore believed it to be silver. But when the woman ultimately uncovered the coin, she discovered that it was gold.