1. daf 15a 7 lines from the bottom of the amud the gemara says we need 2 pesukim to tell us that an eved goes out at yovel and that one of them tells us that even a nirtza who could have gone out after 6 years and we would have thought that he should be penalized him. If we were to penalize him then when if ever would he go out? Does it mean that he would really work forever? But then he really is makinmg his human master his master?
2. daf 15A 6 lines from bottom of amud we need a pasuk to tell us that an eved that was sold by Bais Din also goes out at Yovel because we would have thought that in order to prevent a loss to the master that the slave goes out before 6yrs and the owner will incur a loss therefore a pasuk is need to tell us that even he too goes out at yovel. I don't understand the gemara's assumption. Why would the master incur a loss. Presumably he will only be paying based on the number of years until the earlier of yovel or 6 years. Just like a master pays for 6 years and not more, the same is true for yovel. So the eved going out at yovel does not result in a financial loss to the master!
Thank you.
Allen Schuldenfrei, baltimore, maryland USA
1. It means he would work forever. While he is making his human master his master, that was already done when he became a Nirtza. It is a wrong behavior that is allowed within the parameters of the Torah.
2. Without Rashi's explanation, I would say that we would simply say he should work through Yovel. However, you are correct that Rashi explains the Gemara as saying, "Perhaps we would say that we should not make the owner lose." It is possible Rashi is referring to the loss that the master would have by not having a slave for six years, and instead having to have this man owe him money which he probably cannot currently repay. Very poor people do not generally pay back a lot of money quickly, if at all, even when taken to court. This is especially so when they stole the money in the first place. It is therefore somewhat of a loss that the owner does not have a clear way to earn back his money (despite the fact that it is "k'Koneh Adon l'Atzmo").
All the best,
Yaakov Montrose