What are the implications of "Ve'amru el Ziknei Iyro"?
Sanhedrin, 70b: It precludes him from the Din of a ben Sorer u'Moreh where he either performs a Mitzvah against his parents' instructions, 1 or an Aveirah, where he doesn't listen to Hashem's Voice either.
Sanhedrin, 71a: It implies that either his father or his mother is dumb, he cannot become a ben Sorer u'Moreh 2 - and by the same token, "Einenu Shome'a be'Koleinu", that the same applies if one of them is deaf. 3
Refer to 21:20:1.1:1.
The question arises however, that "Ve'amru" does not appear to be superfluous. See Torah Temimah, note 140.
See Torah Temimah, note 144 and note 148
What are the implications of "Einenu Shome'a be'Koleinu"?
Sanhedrin, 7ob: It precludes him from the Din of a Ben Sorer u'Moreh where he either performs a Mitzvah against his parents' instructions, 1 or an Aveirah, where he doesn't listen to the Voice of Hashem either.
Sanhedrin, 71: It implies that either his father or his mother is deaf, 2 he cannot become a Ben Sorer u'Moreh
What are the connotations of "Zolel ve'Sovei"?
Rashi, Rashbam, Targum Onkelos and Targum Yonasan: It means that he is a glutton - who ate a Tartimar (a large quantity) of meat - and a drunkard - who drank half a Log 1 (three egg-volumes) of wine, 2
Sanhedrin, 70a: "Zolel" (from the Lashon 'Zol' - cheap) implies that the Ben Sorer u'Moreh purchased the met and wine cheap (with the money that he stole from his parents.
Rashi (Ibid.): Which he purchased with money that he stole from them - as the Pasuk indiates in Mishlei, 23:21 & 22 (Seforno).
As the Pasuk writes in Mishlei, 23:20 - thereby precluding any other kind of food or drink, which do not render him a Ben Sorer u'Moreh..
If, as R. Shimon and R. Yehudah, Ben Sorer u'Moreh never happened and never will - See 21:20:152:1**- why does the Torah mention it?
Sanhedrin 71a: In order to learn from it (the severity of Kibud Av va'Eim, the consequences of taking a Y'fas To'ar and the importance of Chinuch Banim 1 ).
See Oznayim la'Torah on Pasuk 21, DH 've'Chol Yisrael Yishm'u Veyira'u'.
What are the implications of the words "Beneinu Zeh ... "?
Targum Yonasan: They tell the Chachamim that this son was born to them due to their sins? 1
Sanhedrin 71a: It implies that he can only become a ben Sorer u'Moreh if both his parents can see, 2 but not if one of them is blind. 3
Sanhedrin 71a & b: It implies that, when the Ben Sorer is sentenced by a Sanhedrin of twenty-three, three of the Dayanaim should be the same ones who initially sentenced him to Malkos. 4
See Nosei Klei Yonasan.
See Torah Temimah, note 145.
Are the parents obligated to bring a Ben Sorer u'Moreh to be killed?
Sanhedrin 71a and Yerushalmi Sanhedrin 8:4: Both parents have the authority to pardon him, 1 in which case he goes free. 2
Sanhedrin 88a-b: Likewise, a husband can pardon his wife who is a Sotah (by not warning his wife against seclusion). There are two opinions as to whether or not Beis Din can pardon a Zaken Mamrei.
In fact, R. Shimon there states that there never was a Ben Sorer u'Moreh and never will be, because which parent would want their son to be stoned to death for a small theft? According to R. Yehudah there, it never was or will be, since the parents must have the same voice, appearance and stature - which is all but impossible. R. Yonason on the other hand, testified that he sat on the grave of a Ben Sorer u'Moreh. Also refer to Vayikra 13:17:152:3 & 14:37:151:3 and notes.
