1)

(a)Abaye answers the original Kashya (regarding ha'Kol Shochtim u'Shechitasan Kesheirah) differently. He establishes ha'Kol Shochtin by a Kuti. Under what circumstances may a Kuti Shecht Lechatchilah?

(b)What does Abaye say about a case where a Yisrael walked in and out during the Shechitah (Yotzei ve'Nichnas)?

(c)What is the problem with a Kuti's Shechitah? Why can he not otherwise be trusted even with a Yisrael walking in and out during the Shechitah?

1)

(a)Abaye answers the original Kashya (regarding 'ha'Kol Shochtin u'Shechitasan Kesheirah') differently. He establishes ha'Kol Shochtin by a Kuti, who may Shecht Lechatchilah - as long as a Yisrael watches him Shechting from beginning to end.

(b)If a Yisrael walked in and out during the Shechitah (Yotzeii ve'Nichnas) - Abaye validates the Kuti's Shechitah, but only if the Kuti subsequently agrees to eat a piece of meat from the animal that he Shechted.

(c)The problem with a Kuti's Shechitah is that - even though he is meticulous in the performance of Mitzvos vis-a-vis himself, he cannot otherwise be trusted vis-a-vis others, even with a Yisrael Yotzeii ve'Nichnas during the Shechitah - because the Kutim do not abide by the La'av of Lifnei Iver (the prohibition of causing others to sin).

2)

(a)How do the Kutim interpret the Pasuk in Kedoshim "Lifnei Iver Lo Siten Michshol"?

(b)How does Abaye then explain u'Shechitasan Kesheirah?

(c)What is the problem with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu, va'Acherim Ro'in osan, Shechitasan Kesheirah?

(d)How do we solve it?

2)

(a)The Kutim explain the Pasuk in Kedoshim"Lifnei Iver Lo Siten Michshol" - literally, as a prohibition against placing a stumbling-block in front of a blind person.

(b)According to Abaye, u'Shechitasan Kesheirah speaks - after the Kuti has eaten a piece of meat from the animal that he Shechted.

(c)The problem with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu, va'Acherim Ro'in osan, Shechitasan Kesheirah is - what it can possibly refer to. If it refers to the Shechitah of a Chashu, which it follows in the Mishnah, then the Tana ought to have said ve'Im Shachtu (and not ve'Chulan she'Shachtu), whereas it cannot refer to that of a Kuti, whose Shechitah is Kasher even Lechatchilah, as long as the Kuti eats a piece of meat from it, as we just established.

(d)This problem - remains unresolved.

3)

(a)Rava queries Abaye from a Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah. What does the Tana there say (regarding the Kashrus of the wine) in a case where someone leaves a Nochri in his wine-store, and arranges with a Yisrael to go in from time to time?

(b)Then what prevents us from learning from there that a Kuti too, may Shecht Lechatchilah under the same circumstances?

(c)Rava does prove his point however, from the Seifa of that Mishnah. What does the Tana there say about a Shomer (a supervisor)?

(d)Why does the Seifa not contradict the Reisha, which only permits such a case, Bedieved?

3)

(a)Rava queries Abaye from a Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah, which rules that if someone leaves a Nochri in his wine-store, and arranges with a Yisrael to go in from time to time - the wine is Kasher, ostensibly even Lechatchilah.

(b)And what prevents us from learning from there that a Kuti too, may Shecht Lechatchilah under the same circumstances is the fact that - the Tana is talking (not about Lechatchilah, but) Bedi'eved, as ha'Meni'ach implies.

(c)Rava does prove his opinion however, from the Seifa of that Mishnah, where the Tana specifically absolves a Shomer (a supervisor) from having to remain on the spot continuously, but is permitted to be a Yotzeii ve'Nichnas.

(d)The Seifa does not contradict the Reisha, which only permits such a case Bedieved - inasmuch as it is a case of Lo Zu Af Zu (what the Mishnah is saying is that it is permitted not only Bedi'eved, but even Lechatchilah).

4)

(a)So Rava too, establishes our Mishnah by a Kuti. But how does *he* establish ha'Kol Shochtin? Under what circumstances may a Kuti Shecht Lechatchilah?

(b)And how does he then interpret u'Shechitasan Kesheirah Bedi'eved?

(c)What problem do we now have with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu va'Acherim Ro'in osan ... ? It cannot refer to a Chashu, as we have already explained. But why can it not refer to a Kuti where a Yisrael is Yotzei ve'Nichnas?

4)

(a)So Rava too, establishes our Mishnah by a Kuti, and ha'Kol Shochtin Lechatchilah speaks - by Yotzeii ve'Nichnas.

(b)u'Shechitasan Kesheirah Bedi'eved - speaks where the Yisrael arrived after the Kuti Shechted, and the Shechitah is only Kasher if the Kuti accepts the piece of meat that he is offered and eats it.

(c)The problem with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu va'Acherin Ro'in osan ... is - once again how does it speaks? since it can neither refer to a Chashu, as we have already explained, nor can it refer to a Kuti, where a Yisrael is Yotzeii ve'Nichnas, since then his Shechitah is Kasher even Lechatchilah.

5)

(a)Rav Ashi solves the problem in our Mishnah by establishing the case by a Yisrael Mumar. What is a Mumar?

(b)Based on a statement of Rava, under which circumstances does ha'Kol Shochtin then speak?

(c)What is the definition of a Mumar le'Te'avon? On what grounds do we trust his Shechitah here (even Lechatchilah)?

(d)How does 'u'Shechitaso Kesheirah' then speak?

5)

(a)Rav Ashi solves the problem in the Mishnah by establishing the case by a Yisrael Mumar - which means either an apostate, or a Yisrael who has thrown off the yoke of one Mitzvah (one who eats Neveilos, in this case).

(b)Based on a statement of Rava, ha'Kol Shochtin speaks - by a Mumar le'Te'avon (who Shechts with a knife that one inspected and handed to him).

(c)A Mumar le'Te'avon - is one who will only eat Neveilos when it benefits him (but not where Kasher meat of the same quality is available at the same price). We therefore trust his Shechitah here (even Lechatchilah) - because he has nothing to lose by Shechting properly with the pre-inspected knife.

(d)Whereas u'Shechitaso Kesheirah speaks - where he Shechted with his own knife, which needs to be inspected after the Shechitah.

6)

(a)What problem do we now have with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu va'Acherim Ro'in osan ... ? Why can it not refer to a Mumar who Shechted with a knife that was ...

1. ... previously inspected?

2. ... not previously inspected, assuming that the knife is available for inspection?

3. ... not previously inspected, assuming that it is not?

6)

(a)The problem with the Seifa ve'Chulan she'Shachtu v'Acherim Ro'in osan ... is yet again - to whom it refers. It cannot refer to a Mumar who Shechted with a knife that was ...

1. ... previously inspected - because his Shechitah would then be Kasher Lechatchilah (as we just explained).

2. ... not previously inspected, assuming that the knife is available for inspection - because then there would be no reason not to inspect it now, and to subsequently declare his Shechitah Kasher even if nobody watched him Shechting.

3. ... not previously inspected, assuming that it is not - because then, as long as the knife has not been inspected, why would others supervising the Shechitah render it Kasher? Perhaps the knife was defected?

3b----------------------------------------3b

7)

(a)Ravina amends ha'Kol Shochtin to ha'Kol Mumchin Shochtin. What does he mean?

(b)This speaks even though he does not have experience. How do we define experience?

(c)Seeing as he is fluent in the Halachos, why might we have thought that a lack of experience will make any difference?

(d)And how will we then explain ...

1. ... u'Shechitasan Kesheirah?

2. ... ve'Chulan she'Shachtu ... ?

7)

(a)Ravina amends ha'Kol Shochtin to ha'Kol Mumchin Shochtin - with reference to someone who is fluent in Hilchos Shechitah.

(b)This speaks even though he does not have experience - that he has not Shechted at least three times in front of us.

(c)We might otherwise have thought that, in spite of his fluency - without experience, perhaps he is a finicky person who faints at the sight of blood, and whose Shechitah can therefore not be trusted.

(d)And ...

1. ... u'Shechitasan Kesheirah refers to - where we did not know at the time that he Shechted, whether he was conversant with Hilchos Shechitah or not, in which case we examine him afterwards. If he passes the examination, then his Shechitah is Kasher.

2. ... ve'Chulan she'Shachtu ... refers to where, at the time that he Shechted, we did not know whether he was conversant with Hilchos Shechitah or not, and he subsequently became unavailable for testing.

8)

(a)Alternatively, Ravina learns ha'Kol Muchzakin Shochtin, with reference to an experienced Shochet. What if we do not know whether he is conversant in Hilchos Shechitah or not?

(b)And how will we then explain ...

1. ... u'Shechitasan Kesheirah?

2. ... ve'Chulan she'Shachtu?

8)

(a)Alternatively, Ravina learns ha'Kol Muchzakin Shochtin, with reference to an experienced Shochet - irrespective of whether we know him to be conversant in Hilchos Shechitah or not.

(b)And ...

1. ... u'Shechitasan Kesheirah then refers to - where he Shechted without our having seen him Shecht before, and his Shechitah is Kasher if he assures us that he did not faint in the process of Shechting.

2. ... ve'Chulan she'Shachtu refers to - the same circumstances as the previous case, only where he is simply not available to ask.

9)

(a)Why do Ravina (ha'Kol Shochtin Mumchin/Muchzakin) and Rabah bar Ula (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Tamei be'Chulin) decline to learn like Abaye (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Kuti ... be'Yisrael Omdin al Gabav), Rava (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Kuti ... be'Yotzei ve'Nichnas) and Rav Ashi (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Yisrael Mumar)?

(b)Why do the other Amora'im decline to learn like ...

1. ... Rabah bar Ulah in the first Lashon, which considers the Mishnah in Chulin to be the Ikar?

2. ... Rabah bar Ulah in the second Lashon, which considers the Sugya in Zevachim to be the Ikar?

3. ... Ravina in the first Lashon (ha'Kol Mumchin Shochtin)?

4. ... Ravina in the second Lashon (ha'Kol Muchzakin Shochtin)?

(c)Rava declines to learn like Abaye, because of his Kashya from the Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah (Ein ha'Shomer Tzarich Lih'yos Yoshev u'Meshamer ... ). But why does Abaye decline to learn like Rava?

9)

(a)Ravina (ha'Kol Shochtin Mumchin/Muchzakin) and Rabah bar Ula (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Tamei be'Chulin) decline to learn like Abaye (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Kuti ... be'Yisrael Omdin al Gabav), Rava (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Kuti ... be'Yotzeii ve'Nichnas) and Rav Ashi (ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Yisrael Mumar) - because none of the latter are able to explain ve'Chulan she'Shachtu ... (as we explained earlier).

(b)The other Amora'im decline to learn like ...

1. ... Rabah bar Ulah in the first Lashon, which considers the Mishnah in Chulin to be the Ikar - because they consider our Mishnah the Ikar.

2. ... Rabah bar Ulah in the second Lashon, which considers the Mishnah in Zevachim to be the Ikar - because they hold Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas ha'Kodesh, La'av ke'Kodesh Damu, in which case, a Tamei may even Shecht it Lechatchilah, and it is not necessary to learn Mukdashin on account of it.

3. ... Ravina in the first Lashon (ha'Kol Mumchin Shochtin) - because they hold of the principle Rov Metzuyin Eitzel Shechitah Mumchin hein (the majority of people who Shecht are experts).

4. ... Ravina in the second Lashon (ha'Kol Muchzakin Shochtin) - because they are not afraid that the Shochet might faint during the Shechitah.

(c)Rava declines to learn like Abaye, because of his Kashya from the Mishnah in Avodah-Zarah (Ein ha'Shomer Tzarich Lih'yos Yoshev u'Meshamer ... '), and Abaye declines to learn like Rava - because, whereas the Nochri in the store did not touch the wine, the Kuti who Shechted, definitely touched the animal (with the knife). Consequently, whereas by the former (from which Rava cites his proof), Yotzei ve'Nishnas is sufficient, by the latter, it is not, since it takes no more than a split second (the moment the Shomer leaves the store) to render the animal a Neveilah,.

10)

(a)Why does Rav Ashi decline to learn like Abaye and Rava?

(b)Abaye declines to learn like Rav Ashi, because he disagrees with Rava (Yisrael Ochel Neveilos le'Te'avon ... ), on whom Rav Ashi's opinion is based. But why does Rava not learn like Rav Ashi, with whom he obviously concurs?

10)

(a)Rav Ashi declines to learn like Abaye and Rava - because he holds that already at the time of the Mishnah, Kutim were Geirei Arayos (not genuine Geirim, as will be explained later), in which case they were considered Nochrim, whose Shechitah is Pasul.

(b)Abaye declines to learn like Rav Ashi, because he disagrees with Rava (Yisrael Ochel Neveilos le'Te'avon ...), on whom Rav Ashi's opinion is based. Rava, on the other hand, obviously concurs with Rav Ashi, and the only reason that he cites 'ha'Kol Shochtin Afilu Kuti ... be'Yotzeii ve'Nichnas' is - to counter Abaye (to say that even if one were to establish the Mishnah by a Kuti, it would be by a case of Yotzeii ve'Nichnas (and not necessarily by Omed al Gabav).

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