Avodah Zarah Chart #3a
Chart for Avodah Zarah Daf 25b
WHEN IS IT PROHIBITED FOR A WOMAN TO BE ALONE WITH A NOCHRI,
AND WHY (according to Rashi)?
| (A) A WOMAN WHO IS SPECIAL AMONG WOMEN (that is, she is pretty) |
(B) A WOMAN WHO IS NOT SPECIAL AMONG WOMEN (that is, she is not pretty) |
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| 1 | A WOMAN WHO IS SPECIAL AMONG MEN (that is, she is related to nobility) | Killing: Not at risk Ervah : She is at risk |
Killing: Not at risk Ervah : Machlokes (1) * |
| 2 | A WOMAN WHO IS NOT SPECIAL AMONG MEN (that is, she is not related to nobility) | Killing: Machlokes (2) Ervah : She is at risk |
Killing: Machlokes (2) Ervah : Machlokes (1) |
* This case is the difference between the opinions of Rebbi Yirmeyah and Rav Idi, as the Gemara mentions. According to Rebbi Yirmeyah, such a woman is permitted to be alone with a Nochri, while according to Rav Idi, such a woman is prohibited to be alone with a Nochri.
Avodah Zarah Chart #3b
Chart for Avodah Zarah Daf 25b
WHEN IS IT PROHIBITED FOR A WOMAN TO BE ALONE WITH A NOCHRI
BECAUSE HE MIGHT KILL HER OR BECAUSE OF ERVAH (according to Tosfos)?
| (A) A WOMAN AMONG NOCHRI MEN |
(B) A WOMAN AMONG NOCHRI WOMEN |
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| 1 | A WOMAN WHO IS IMPORTANT (5) | Killing: Not at risk Ervah : Machlokes (3) * |
Killing: Not at risk Ervah : Not at risk |
| 2 | A WOMAN WHO IS NOT IMPORTANT (5) | Killing: Machlokes (4) Ervah : She is at risk |
Killing: Machlokes (4) ** Ervah : Not at risk |
** According to Tosfos, these are the two cases that the Gemara mentions as differences between the opinions of Rebbi Yirmeyah and Rav Idi. According to Rebbi Yirmeyah, such a woman is prohibited from being alone with Nochrim, while according to Rav Idi, such a woman is permitted to be alone with Nochrim.
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FOOTNOTES:
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(1) According to Rav Idi, an ugly woman is also at risk for Ervah, since she also has her "Klei Zayenah Aleha" (she is able to persuade the Nochri not to kill her, but to keep her for immoral purposes). According to Rebbi Yirmeyah, an ugly woman is not at risk for Ervah.
(2) According to Rav Idi, a woman is never at risk of being killed, even one who is not "important among the men" (and who is ugly), since he holds that a woman always has her "Klei Zayenah Aleha" and can persuade the Nochri not to kill her, but to keep her for immoral purposes.
(3) Tosfos defines "important" ("Chashuvah") as "related to nobility," as Rashi explains. According to the Yerushalmi that Tosfos quotes, "Chashuvah" refers to a woman who is strong (and can protect herself).
(4) According to Rebbi Yirmeyah, a woman who is not important is at risk of being killed. According to Rav Idi, even a woman who is not important is not at risk of being killed, because she has her "Klei Zayenah Aleha" (she is able to persuade the Nochri not to kill her, but to keep her for immoral purposes).
(5) According to Rebbi Yirmeyah, even an important woman is at risk of Ervah, as is evident from the Mishnah according to his explanation. According to Rav Idi (who explains that the Mishnah is referring to a woman who is not important), a woman who is not important is not at risk of being killed, nor is she at risk of Ervah.