TOSFOS DH v'Harei Zerikah v'Tanan Zarak bi'Smol Pasul (cont.)
úåñôåú ã"ä åäøé æøé÷ä åúðï æø÷ áùîàì ôñåì (äîùê)
åà''ú åëéåï ãø' ùîòåï ôìéâ áîìé÷ä à''ë îúðé' ãôø÷ çèàú äòåó (ì÷îï ãó ñç.) ãîì÷ áùîàì ëå' ìà àúéà ëøáé ùîòåï
Question: Since R. Shimon argues about Melikah, if so, our Mishnah below (68a) which says that if one did Melikah with the left hand [it is Pasul] is unlike R. Shimon;
åäà òì ëøçéï ëøáé ùîòåï àúéà îã÷úðé ñéôà àå áìéìä àéðå îèîà áâãéí àáéú äáìéòä åîôøù èòîà îùåí ãëì ùôñåìå á÷ãù àéðå îèîà áâãéí àáéú äáìéòä
You are forced to say that it is like R. Shimon, since the Seifa teaches "or [if he did Melikah] at night, it is not Metamei Begadim while swallowing", and it explains the reason because anything that is Pesulo Kodesh is not Metamei Begadim while swallowing it;
åîôøù áâîøà ãëéåï ãäê ùçéèä îúøú àú äàéñåø ôé' ùàí òìä ìà éøã åäééðå ëøáé ùîòåï
The Gemara explains that since this (Melikah, which is in place of) Shechitah permits the Isur, i.e. Im Alah Lo Yered. This is like R. Shimon;
ãìøáé éäåãä ðùçèä áìéìä úøã ãîîòè ìä îæàú äéà äòåìä áôéø÷éï
According to R. Yehudah, if it was slaughtered at night, it descends. He excludes this from "Hi ha'Olah" below (27b)!
åé''ì ãääåà úðà ñáø ìä ëååúéä áçãà åôìéâ òìéä áçãà
Answer #1: That Tana holds like [R. Shimon] in one way (Shechitah at night), and argues with him about one matter (Melikah with the left hand).
àé ðîé àôé' øáé éäåãä îåãä áòåôåú ãìà éøãå îùåí ìéìä ãëéåï ãäåä ôñåìï á÷åãù ãìà ëúéá ùìùä îéòåèé àìà ááäîä
Answer #2: (He holds totally like R. Yehudah.) Even R. Yehudah agrees about birds that they do not descend due to [Melikah at] night, since it was Pesulo b'Kodesh. The three exclusions were written only regarding animals.
åà''ú ãáøéù îæáç î÷ãù (ì÷îï ãó ôâ:) îô÷é øáé ò÷éáà åøáé éåñé äâìéìé îòåìä åëáùéí ãîæáç î÷ãù àú äøàåé ìå
Question: Below (83b), R. Akiva and R. Yosi ha'Gelili derive from Olah and Kevasim (respectively) that the Mizbe'ach is Mekadesh what is proper for it;
åîàï ããøéù îëáùéí ôåñì äøáä áòåó éåúø îááäîä
The one (R. Yosi ha'Gelili) who expounds from Kevasim, he disqualified birds more than animals!
åé''ì ãøáé éäåãä ñáø ëîàï ããøéù îòåìä åìà îäëáùéí àå îùàø ãøùåú ãäúí
Answer: R. Yehudah holds like the one (R. Akiva) who expounds Olah, and not from Kevasim, or from other Drashos there.
åøáéðå ùîåàì îééùá âéøñú äñôøéí åîôøù åäøé æøé÷ä ãìà ëúéá àìà ëäåðä åúðï æø÷ áùîàì ôñì åìà ôìéâ øáé ùîòåï
Defense (of Version #1, the text of Seforim - Rashbam): Behold, Zerikah, about which it is written only Kehunah, and a Mishnah teaches that if Zerikah was with the left hand, it is Pasul, and R. Shimon does not argue;
ãîëéåï ãúðï ëì äæáçéí ù÷éáì áùîàì ôñì ëì ùëï æøé÷ä ùäéà òé÷ø ëôøä åìà ôìéâ øáé ùîòåï ëé àí òì ÷áìä
Since the Mishnah teaches that all Zevachim, if Kabalah was with the left hand, it is Pasul, all the more so Zerikah, which is the primary Kaparah, and R. Shimon argues only about Kabalah;
åàé äåä ôìéâ àæøé÷ä äåä ìéä ìàùîåòéðï ëç ãäéúéøà ãîëùéø ø' ùîòåï áæøé÷ä åë''ù á÷áìä
If he argued about Zerikah, he should have taught Ko'ach d'Heteira (the extremity of the lenient opinion), that R. Shimon is Machshir Zerikah, and all the more so Kabalah!
åö''ò àé îöé ìôøù äëé ìùåï åúðï æø÷ áùîàì ôñì åäà ãàîøé' áôø÷ ëì äôñåìéï (ì÷îï ãó ìá.) ÷áì áéîéï åðúï áùîàì éçæåø ìéîéï åäééðå îùåí äæøé÷ä ãáòé éîéï
Question: This requires investigation, if he can explain the words "a Mishnah teaches, if he did Zerikah with the left hand it is Pasul", for we say below (32a) that if he received with the right hand and passed it to the left hand, he returns it to the right hand. This is because Zerikah needs the right hand;
ãàé îùåí äåìëä îôðé îä äà ìà ëúéá áä àöáò åàîàé ôñì
If it were due to Holachah, what is the reason [to require the right hand]? It is not written "Etzba". Why is it Pasul?
åúå ãøáé ùîòåï äåä ìéä ìôìåâé åìäëùéø îùåí ãòáåãä ùàôùø ìáèìä äåà
Further, R. Shimon should have argued and been Machshir because it is Avodah that he can be Mevatel (he can slaughter at the Mizbe'ach, and no Holachah is needed)!
åùîà ìëúçéìä ÷àîø éçæåø ìéîéï ùìà éòùä æøé÷ä áùîàì àáì áãéòáã æø÷ áùîàì ëùø
Answer #1: Perhaps he says that l'Chatchilah, he returns it to the right hand, lest he do Zerikah with the left hand, but b'Di'eved, if he did Zerikah with the left hand, it is Kosher.
à''ð îùåí äåìëä ðîé ÷àîø ãìëúçéìä éçæåø ìéîéï àáì áãéòáã ëùø
Answer #2: Also due to Holachah he said that l'Chatchilah, he returns it to the right hand, but b'Di'eved, it is Kosher.
à''ð îééøé áçèàú ãîåãä ø' ùîòåï ãáòé éîéï áæøé÷ä
Answer #3: [The Mishnah] discusses a Chatas. R. Shimon agrees that it requires the right hand for Zerikah.
åà''ú åëéåï ãéìôéðï àöáò ãçèàú áâæéøä ùåä îàöáò ãîöåøò ãäåéà áéîéï äéëé éìôéðï éîéï áùàø ÷øáðåú îçèàú áäé÷éùà ãæàú äúåøä
Question: Since we learn Etzba of Chatas through a Gezeirah Shavah from Etzba of Metzora that it is the right [thumb], how do we learn other Korbanos from Chatas through the Hekesh of Zos ha'Torah?
äà ôìåâúà ãàîåøàé äéà áøéù àéæäå î÷åîï (ì÷îï ãó ð.) àé ãáø äìîã îâæéøä ùåä çåæø åîìîã áäé÷ù àå ìà
Amora'im argue below (50a) about whether or not something learned from a Gezeirah Shavah can return to teach through a Hekesh!
åðøàä îúåê ëê ãëì ùëï ãðéçà äëà èôé ãäëé ôøéê åäøé æøé÷ä ãìà ëúéá áä àöáò åìà ôìéâ ø' ùîòåï åàò''â ããøùé' éîéï îäé÷éùà ãçèàú
Answer #1: Due to this, all the more so it is better than here. We ask as follows. Etzba is not written regarding Zerikah, and R. Shimon does not argue, even though he expounds the right from the Hekesh of Chatas;
äðéçà ìîàï ãàîø ãáø äìîã áâæéøä ùåä çåæø åîìîã áäé÷ù àìà ìîàï ãàîø àéï çåæø åîìîã áäé÷ù àîàé ìà ôìéâ ø' ùîòåï
This is fine according to the opinion that something learned from a Gezeirah Shavah can return to teach through a Hekesh. However, according to the opinion that it cannot return to teach through a Hekesh, why doesn't R. Shimon argue?
åäùúà äà ãîùðé áô''÷ ãçåìéï (ãó ëá.) ñáø ìä ëøáé ùîòåï ãëäåðä áòéà àöáò äééðå ëîàï ãàîø çåæø åîìîã áäé÷éùà
Consequence: In Chulin (22a), [the Gemara] answers "he holds like R. Shimon, that Kehunah requires Etzba." This is like the opinion that it returns to teach through a Hekesh;
àáì øáé ùîòåï ãîëùø ááøééúà äëà ùîàì áæøé÷ä ìà áòé ìîéìó éîéï áäé÷éùà ãæàú äúåøä îçèàú ãñáø ãæøé÷ä îäæàä ìà éìôéðï
However, R. Shimon, who in a Beraisa here is Machshir the left hand in Zerikah, he does not want to learn the right hand through the Hekesh of Zos ha'Torah from Chatas, for he holds that we do not learn Zerikah from Haza'ah;
åàéãê ùéðåéà ãîùðé áôø÷ äúåãä (îðçåú ãó ôâ.) ëãé ðñáä äåé ëîàï ãàîø àéï çåæø åîìîã áäé÷éùà
The other answer given in Menachos (83a) that it was taught needlessly, is like the opinion that it does not return to teach through a Hekesh.
åîéäå áôø÷ ÷îà ãçåìéï (ãó ëá.) ìéú ùéðåéà ãëãé ðñáä àáì áñåó ãí çèàú (ì÷îï ãó öç.) îùðé úøåééäå
Observation: However, in Chulin (22a) it does not give the answer that it was taught needlessly, but below (98a) it gives both answers.
åîéäå àôùø ãäëà îåãå ëåìé òìîà ãçåæø åîìîã áäé÷éùà ëéåï ãîöåøò çåì ãäåà îìîã øàùåï
Answer #2: However, it is possible that here, all agree that it returns to teach through a Hekesh, since the first Melamed (source), i.e. a Metzora, is Chulin (according to the opinion that it depends on the Melamed. Devar Moshe brings that the Griz asks why Metzora is considered Chulin. If the Matanos on the Behonos are Pasul, he brings another Korban!)
åúéøåõ æä àðå öøéëéï áñîåê [ããøéù] áà ìòåáãä áéã òåáãä áéîéï ëçèàú åäééðå äé÷ù åçèàú âåôéä îâæéøä ùåä ãîöåøò éìôéðï ìä
We need this answer below, that he expounds "if [the Kohen] wants to offer [the Kometz] in his hand, he uses his right hand, like a Chatas." This is a Hekesh, and Chatas itself we learned from a Gezeirah Shavah to Metzora!
åàí úàîø îàé ôøéê åäøé æøé÷ä ãìà ëúéá àöáò àìà ëäåðä åôñåìä åìà ôìéâ øáé ùîòåï
Question: What was the question "regarding Zerikah it does not say Etzba, only Kehunah, and it is Pasul, and R. Shimon does not argue?"
[îú''÷] ðîé äåä ìéä ìîéôøê àîàé ôñì ùäøé áçèàú áòé àöáò ááøééúà ëãàîø áàöáòå åì÷ç
We could have asked also from the first Tana, why he disqualifies, for regarding Chatas he needs [to learn from] Etzba, in the Beraisa (24a), like it says "b'Etzba'o" [and] "v'Lakach"!
åâí àîøå ãúðà ÷îà ñáø î÷øà ðãøù ìôðéå àáì îëäåðä ìà éìéó
[The Gemara] also said that the first Tana holds that the verse is expounded Lefanav. (B'Etzba'o teaches about Kabalah, which is written earlier in the verse, and not about Zerikah, which is later in the verse.) However, he does not learn from Kehunah;
åàé ôñåì áæøé÷ú ùîàì áùàø ÷øáðåú îäé÷éùà ãæàú äúåøä à''ë îàé ôøéê ìø' (äâäú ùéèä î÷åáöú) ùîòåï
Summation of question: If Zerikah with the left hand is Pasul in other Korbanos, from the Hekesh of Zos ha'Torah, what was the question against R. Shimon?
åðøàä ìé ãîãøáðï ìà äåä áòé ìîéôøê ãäåä îöé ìîéîø ãèòîà ãøáðï ìàå îùåí ãàöáò ðãøù ìôðéå åáøééúà ãúðé áàöáòå åì÷ç ìãáøé ø' ùîòåï ð÷èéä
Answer: [The Makshan] did not want to ask from Rabanan, because one could answer that Rabanan's reason is not because we expound Etzba Lefanav. The Beraisa that taught b'Etzba'o v'Lakach, it said so according to R. Shimon;
åèòîà ãøáðï ãôñìé ùîàì á÷áìä îùåí ãëúéá åì÷ç äëäï îï äãí åñáøé øáðï ëäåðä ìà áòéà àöáò
The reason why Rabanan disqualify the left hand for Kabalah is because it says "v'Lakach ha'Kohen Min ha'Dam", and Rabanan hold that Kehunah does not require Etzba.
åëï îùîò ôø÷ ãí çèàú (ì÷îï ãó öç.) ãôøéê éîéï îãøáä áø áø çðä ðô÷à åîùðé éîéï ëãé ðñáä åàéáòéú àéîà ëø' ùîòåï ãàîø ëäåðä áòéà àöáò
Support: It connotes like this below (98a). It asks "we know the right hand from Rabah bar bar Chanah (whenever it says 'Etzba' and 'Kehunah'...)", and answers that the right hand was taught needlessly (we know it from Rabah bar bar Chanah, and not from the Hekesh). Alternatively, (the Tana) holds like R. Shimon, who says that 'Kehunah' requires 'Etzba' [to obligate the right hand, but 'Etzba' by itself does not];
îëìì ãìøáðï ëäåðä ìà áòéà àöáò åìëê äåöøê ìùðåéé ëãé ðñáä ãëäï ãëúá áæøé÷ä áùàø ÷øáðåú (äâäú ùéèä î÷åáöú) îùîò éîéï åìà öøéê ìîéìó îàöáò ãçèàú. áøå''ê
Inference: According to Rabanan, Kehunah does not require Etzba. Therefore, we needed to say that [according to them] the right hand was taught needlessly, for "Kohen" written in other Korbanos regarding Zerikah connotes the right hand, and we need not learn from Etzba of Chatas. This is from R. Baruch.
TOSFOS DH Gor'in u'Mosifin v'Dorshin
úåñôåú ã"ä âåøòéï åîåñéôéï åãåøùéï
(SUMMARY: Tosfos justifies the Drashah and the need for it.)
ìà ùééê ìîéôøê ñëéðà çøéôà àôñ÷à ÷øàé
Implied question: Why don't we ask that a sharp knife cut the verse? (I.e. what is the source to take the Mem from "mi'Dam" and prefix it to "ha'Par"?)
àìà ëùîçñø úéáä àçú ëé ääéà ãéù ðåçìéï (á''á ãó ÷éà:)
Answer: We ask so only when we remove one [entire] word [and put it elsewhere], like in Bava Basra (111b).
åàí úàîø úéôå÷ ìé îãîîòèéðï ãí ñëéï ëì ùëï ùòì äøöôä
Question: We exclude blood of the knife. All the more so we know that blood from [what spilled from the animal to] the floor [is excluded]!
Note: Keren Orah asks what is Tosfos' question? One exclusion excludes both of these! Bi'urei ha'Daf answers that we expound "meha'Par" to exclude from the floor, and '"mi'Dam ha'Par", and not Dam ha'Par and something else' excludes blood of the knife.
åéù ìåîø ããéìîà ãí ñëéï âøò îùåí ãðú÷áìä áôñåì
Answer: Perhaps blood of the knife is worse (than blood of the floor, which was not received at all), because it was received in a Pasul way.
àé ðîé àé ìàå èòîà ãâåøòéï åîåñéôéï åãåøùéï äåä àîéðà ãîãí äôø åìà îãí äôø åãáø àçø àúà ìîòåèé ùòì äøöôä àáì ãñëéï ùôéø ãîé
(Do not say that the Torah needed to exclude only from the floor.) Alternatively, if we did not detract (from a word) and add (to another word), one might have thought that '"mi'Dam ha'Par", and not Dam ha'Par and something else' excludes blood from the floor, but blood from the knife is fine.
TOSFOS DH bi'Sefas Mizrak
úåñôåú ã"ä áùôú îæø÷
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses why Parah Adumah is different.)
[ôéøù''é] áçåõ åìà ùéôåì [ìúåëå ôé'] áúåê äîæø÷ ãàí ëï äåä ìéä ãáø àçø
Explanation (Rashi): [He cleans the knife] on the brim of the bucket on the outside, so [blood from the knife] will not fall into the bucket. If it would, this is [blood of] something else.
[åàéï ìä÷ùåú] ãâáé äæàä ãôøä àîøéðï âîø ìäæåú î÷ðç éãå (äâäú ùéèä î÷åáöú) áâåôä ùì ôøä áôø÷ ÷îà ãîðçåú (ãó æ:)
Implied question: Regarding Haza'ah of Parah Adumah, we say that when he finished sprinkling, he cleaned his hand on the Parah itself (Menachos 7b)!
àáì äëà ìà î÷ðç ìéä ìñëéï áâåôä ùì ôøä ìôé ùàæ äéä äñëéï îìà ðéîéï åìà äéä òåã ðàä ìùçåè
Answer: Here he does not clean the knife on the cow (Korban) itself, for then the knife would be full of hairs, and it would not be nice to slaughter more with it.
åîéäå áääéà ùîòúà âåôä âáé ôøä àîøéðï áùìîà éãå î÷ðç ìä áâåôä ùì ôøä àìà àöáòå áîàé î÷ðç
Implied question: However, in that Sugya itself, regarding Parah, we say "it is fine that he cleans his hand on the Parah itself. However, on what does he clean his finger?" (The Parah was far away. Alternatively if he would clean it on the Parah itself, his finger would be full of hairs.)
àîø àáéé áùôú îæø÷ åäùúà éãå ðîé ìé÷ðç áùôú (îëàï îòîåã á) îæø÷
Abaye answered [that he cleans it] on the brim of the bucket. Also his hand he should clean on the brim of the bucket!
25b----------------------------------------25b
ðøàä ìôé ùöøéê ìùøåó ìëåìéä ãí àáì àöáòå ìà àôùø ì÷ðç áâåó äôøä ùäéä îæä áäø äîùçä àì ðëç ôðé àäì îåòã åëé áéï ëì äæàä åäæàä éøã îï ääø ì÷ðç éãéå áâåó äôøä
Answer #1: [He cleans his hand on the Parah itself] because he needs to burn all of the blood. However, he could not clean his finger on the Parah itself, for he sprinkled on Har ha'Mishchah, facing the Ohel Mo'ed. Between every Haza'ah and Haza'ah, will he descend from the mountain to clean his hands on the Parah itself?!
Note: Seemingly, between Haza'os he needed to clean only his finger. However, if he would clean on the Parah, it would be better to clean the entire hand on it, than on the outer brim of the bucket (not on the inner, lest blood that initially remained on his finger enter the bucket and he will sprinkle from it again), and later he must clean the brim on the cow, to burn all the blood. Perhaps Tosfos says "hands", in case blood happened to come on both hands. Shitah Mekubetzes (Defus Vilna) is Magia "Yado".
àé ðîé ëãôé' á÷åðèøñ ì÷îï áôø÷ ãí çèàú (ãó öâ:) ùìà éúìëìê àöáòå áðéîéï áéï ääæàåú
Answer #2: Rashi explained below (93b, that he could not clean it on the Parah itself), lest his finger get dirty with hairs between Haza'os.
ãäëé ðîé çééùéðï ìðéîéï áô' ëì ëúáé (ùáú ãó ÷èæ:) âáé îôùéèéï àú äôñç òã äçæä
Support #1: We are concerned for hairs like this in Shabbos (116b) regarding flaying the Pesach until the chest [before taking out the Eimurim].
åëï ðøàä ãùçéèúä åäæééúä áî÷åí àçã äéå ëãàéúà áôø÷ ôøú çèàú (ì÷îï ãó ÷éâ.)
Support #2: Its Shechitah and Haza'ah are in one place, like it says below (113a. Therefore, Answer #1 is difficult.)
åëï áîñëú îãåú (ãó ìä.) úðï ëì äëúìéí ùäéå ùí âáåäéï òùøéí àîä çåõ îëåúì îæøçé ùëäï äùåøó øåàä ôúçå ùì äéëì áùòú äæééä: ò''ë
Also, in Midos (35a) a Mishnah teaches that all the walls [in the Mikdash] were 20 Amos tall, except for the eastern wall, for the Kohen who burns the Parah sees the opening of the Heichal at the time of Haza'ah. (Chok ha'Kodesh, citing the Grid - what is the proof from there? Perhaps Shechitah was below, and the Kohen ascended to do Haza'ah! However, below (113a) it says that also at the time of Shechitah, he must face Pesach Ohel Mo'ed.)
TOSFOS DH Zos Omeres Avir Kli ki'Chli Dami
úåñôåú ã"ä æàú àåîøú àåéø ëìé ëëìé ãîé
(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out that we could resolve R. Asi's question from here.)
îäëà äåä îöé ìîéôùè ìòéì
Observation: From here we could have resolved [R. Asi's question] above.
åö''ò ôø÷ äîæáç î÷ãù (ì÷îï ãó ôæ:) âáé àåéø ëáù ëëáù ãîé
Question: This requires investigation below (87b) regarding the airspace of the ramp is like the ramp. (Why didn't we resolve it from here? Kehilas Yakov points out that here we discuss when it is destined to fall in the Kli!)
TOSFOS DH Kodshim Kalim Minayin
úåñôåú ã"ä ÷ãùéí ÷ìéí îðéï
(SUMMARY: Tosfos discusses why we did not ask this above.)
åúéîä ãìòéì âáé îãí äôø [åìà îãí äòåø] ìà ÷àîø ÷ãùéí ÷ìéí îðéï
Question: Above (25a), regarding "mi'Dam ha'Par", and not from blood of the hide, we did not ask what is the source for Kodshim Kalim!
åéù ìåîø ãëéåï ãâìé äëà ä''ä äúí:
Answer: Since the Torah revealed here (that all Kodshim have the same law), the same applies there.