1)

(a)According to Abaye, the Pasuk "ve'Cheilev T'reifah" is needed for itself. What would we have otherwise learned from a non-Kasher animal (that would make it worse than Neveilah)?

(b)What would we gain by saying that?

(c)Why is this answer unacceptable? How could we learn the same thing from "u'Tereifah" by a bird?

(d)Why, in any event, could we not learn a Kasher ...

1. ... animal or a bird that became a T'reifah, from a non-Kasher one?

2. ... animal or bird that was born a T'reifah, from a non-Kasher one?

1)

(a)According to Abaye, the Pasuk "ve'Cheilev T'reifah" - comes to declare it (the Cheilev) Tahor after the animal's death, because otherwise. we would have learned that it is Tamei from a non-Kasher animal (which, like T'reifah) is forbidden whilst it is still alive, rather than from a Neveilah, which is not.

(b)This would enable us to reinstate Rebbi Yehudah's original D'rashah from "u'Tereifah" by a bird ("Le'havi T'reifah she'Shachtah, she'Metam'ah").

(c)This answer is unacceptable however - because here again, we could make the parallel D'rashah from "u'T'reifah" (to prevent us learning that it is Metamei from Of Tamei).

(d)In any event, we could not learn a Kasher ...

1. ... animal or bird that became a T'reifah from a non-Kasher one - since the latter was never permitted (whereas the former was), or even if ...

2. ... it was born a T'reifah - since some of the same species are born Kasher (which is not the case by a non-Kasher animal).

2)

(a)What does Rava finally learn from "Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah"?

(b)Why does the Torah find it necessary to insert them both? Having written "Cheilev ...

1. ... Neveilah", why does it need to add "T'reifah"?

2. ... T'reifah", why does it need to add "Neveilah"?

(c)What have we finally proved?

2)

(a)Rava finally learns from "Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah" that - in spite of the principle of 'Ein Isur Chal al Isur', the Isur of Neveilah and that of T'reifah takes effect even though the Isur of Cheilev preceded them.

(b)And the Torah finds it necessary to insert them both, because had it written only "Cheilev ...

1. ... Neveilah" we would have thought that it takes effect - only because it is also Metamei, whereas T'reifah is not.

2. ... T'reifah", we would have thought that it takes effect - only because it becomes forbidden already in the animal's lifetime, whereas Neveilah does not.

(c)We have finally proved - the validity of Rebbi Yehudah's D'rashah from "u'Treifah" (since this time, the D'rashah from "Cheilev T'reifah" pertains specifically to Cheilev, and has no parallel D'rashah that one could learn from "u'T'reifah" that is written by a bird.

3)

(a)Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah learns from "u'Tereifah" the D'rashah that we already cited earlier (i.e. 'to preclude the Shechitah of a Chulin bird bi'Fenim') from Tum'ah'. From where does Rebbi Yehudah learn this?

(b)Rebbi Meir learns from the latter Pasuk, to preclude a non-Kasher bird from Tum'ah (since T'reifah does not pertain to it). From where does Rebbi Yehudah learn this?

(c)Which Din in Shiur does Rebbi Meir learn from ...

1. ... the first "Neveilah"?

2. ... the second "Neveilah"?

(d)Why is this latter D'rashah necessary? Why might we have thought otherwise?

3)

(a)Rebbi Meir learns from "u'Tereifah" the D'rashah that we already cited earlier (to preclude the Shechitah of a Chulin bird bi'Fenim from Tum'ah). Rebbi Yehudah learns it from another Pasuk (where the Torah also writes "Neveilah u'Tereifah", both in connection with a bird).

(b)Rebbi Meir learns from the latter Pasuk, to preclude a non-Kasher bird from Tum'ah (since T'reifah does not pertain to it). Rebbi Yehudah learns that from - "Neveilah", which precludes a non-Kasher bird from Tum'ah (in the same way as "u'Tereifah" does).

(c)Rebbi Meir learns from ...

1. ... the first "Neveilah" that - the Shiur Tum'ah of a bird (be'Beis ha'Beli'ah) is a 'k'Zayis' (like Neveilah).

2. ... the second "Neveilah" that - one only becomes Tamei if one eats it bi'Chedei Achilas P'ras (the time it takes to eat three [or four] egg-volumes), like the Isur of Neveilah (but not if it takes longer).

(d)This latter D'rashah is necessary, because we might otherwise have thought that - since the Tum'ah of Beis ha'Beli'ah is a Chidush, it will not require a K'dei Achilas P'ras', but is Metamei the person who eats it, irrespective of how long it takes.

4)

(a)The Torah writes in Tzav (in connection with the exemption from Tum'ah of the Cheilev of an animal) "ve'Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah". How does the Beraisa learn from Shechitah that the Torah must be referring specifically to the Cheilev of a Kasher animal?

(b)The Tana then suggests that, on the other hand, maybe we will learn the opposite from Neveilah. What does the Tana mean when he says 'Mah ke'she'Tihar mi'K'lal Neveilah, bi'Temei'ah ve'Lo bi'Tehorah'? What sort of Neveilah is he referring to?

(c)Seeing as the exemption of Cheilev from Tum'ah could now be referring to the Cheilev of a Kasher animal or of a non-Kasher one (a Beheimah Temei'ah) depending on whether one learns it from Shechitah or from Neveilah, how does the Beraisa resolve the She'eilah from the word "T'reifah''?

(d)And what does the Tana go on to preclude from "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu" (also written in connection with the exemption of Cheilev from Tum'ah)?

4)

(a)The Torah writes (in connection with the exemption from Tum'ah of the Cheilev of an animal) "ve'Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah". The Beraisa learns from Shechitah that the Torah must be referring specifically to the Cheilev of a Kasher animal - with a Binyan Av, that the Cheilev of a Neveilah is Tahor, just like Shechitah is Metaher specifically a Kasher animal.

(b)The Tana suggests that, on the other hand, maybe we learn the opposite from Neveilah. When the Tana says 'Mah ke'she'Tihar mi'Kelal Neveilah, bi'Temei'ah ve'Lo bi'Tehorah' - he is referring to the Neveilah of a bird, which is Metamei by a Tahor bird, but Metaher by a non-Kasher one.

(c)Seeing as the exemption of Cheilev from Tum'ah could now be referring to the Cheilev of a Kasher animal or of a non-Kasher one depending on whether one learns it from Shechitah or from Neveilah, the Beraisa resolves the She'eilah from the word "T'reifah" - precluding a Beheimah Temei'ah, which is not subject to T'reifah.

(d)And from "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu" (written in connection with the exemption of Cheilev from Tum'ah), the Tana goes on to preclude - the Cheilev of a Chayah, which is permitted together with the Basar (and which now also becomes Tamei together with it).

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5)

(a)We learnt in the Seifa of our Mishnah 'Mah ke'she'Metaher mi'K'lal Neveilah, bi'Temei'ah ve'Lo bi'Tehorah'. What did Rav Ya'akov bar Aba extrapolate from there?

(b)Rava was surprised at him making such a mistake". What was his mistake?

5)

(a)We learnt in the Seifa of our Mishnah Mah ke'she'Metaher mi'Kelal Neveilah bi'Temei'ah ve'Lo bi'Tehorah. Rav Ya'akov bar Aba extrapolated from there that - the Neveilah of a non-Kasher animal is not Metamei.

(b)Rava was surprised at him making such a mistake" - since the Seifa of our Mishnah is talking about the Neveilah of an Of Tamei (and not that of a Beheimah Temei'ah).

6)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan qualifies Rebbi Meir's ruling that the Melikah of a T'reifah is Tahor, by restricting it to Temimin, but not to Ba'alei Mumin. Why is that?

(b)What does Rebbi Elazar say?

(c)In fact, Rebbi Elazar carries this even further? Which kind of birds, according to him, does Rebbi Meir declare Tahor, even though they are not fit to go on the Mizbe'ach?

(d)Why is that?

6)

(a)Rebbi Yochanan qualifies Rebbi Meir's ruling that the Melikah of a T'reifah is Tahor by restricting it to Temimin, but not to Ba'alei Mumin - because they are not subject to Melikah in the first place.

(b)Rebbi Elazar maintains that - there is no difference, and that Rebbi Meir considers them both Tahor.

(c)In fact, Rebbi Elazar carries this even further. According to him - Rebbi Meir declares even ducks and chickens Tahor (even though they are not fit to go on the Mizbe'ach) ...

(d)... because a T'reifah is not fit to go on the Mizbe'ach either, yet Rebbi Meir declares it Tahor, so why should they be any different.

7)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah asked whether Rebbi Meir will also declare Tahor a goat whose neck the elders broke instead of a calf. Who tells Rebbi Yirmiyah that Rebbi Meir declares the Eglah Arufah itself Tahor?

(b)What is then the She'eilah? Why might the goat ...

1. ... be Tahor?

2. ... not be Tahor?

(c)When Abaye asked Rav Dimi on what basis Rebbi Yirmiyah compares the Eglah Arufah (which is after all, not Kodshim) to a Kodshim bird, the latter cited Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai. What did Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai say is written in connection with the Eglah Arufah that gives it the Din of Kodshim (in this regard)?

7)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah asked whether Rebbi Meir will also declare Tahor a goat whose neck the elders broke instead of a calf, which Rebbi Yirmiyah declares - since breaking its neck is its Hechsher Mitzvah, just as the Melikah of a bird removes the Tum'as Neveilah because that is its Hechsher.

(b)The She'eilah is then, whether the goat ...

1. ... is Tahor - because it is an animal, just like the calf.

2. ... is not Tahor - because it is a different species than a calf (see Tosfos DH 'Aval').

(c)When Abaye asked Rav Dimi on what basis Rebbi Yirmiyah compares the Eglah Arufah (which is after all, not Kodshim) to a Kodshim bird, the latter cited Amri de'Bei Rebbi Yanai, who said that - since the Torah wrote "Kaparah" by it, like it did by Kodshim, it is compared to Kodshim (in this regard) and is Tahor.

8)

(a)What does the Beraisa incorporate in the preclusion from Tum'ah, from Kol in the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ki Kol Ochel Cheilev"?

(b)What Kashya does Rav Nasan Avuhah de'Rav Huna ask from here on Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai?

(c)What do we answer to that? What is the difference between the case of Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai and that of the Beraisa?

(d)What is the problem with establishing the Beraisa where they Shechted the animal?

8)

(a)From the Pasuk in Vayikra "Ki Kol Ochel Cheilev", the Beraisa incorporates - the Cheilev of a Shor ha'Niskal and an Eglah Arufah in the preclusion from Tum'ah.

(b)Rav Nasan Avuhah de'Rav Huna queried Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai from there in that - if the Eglah Arufah itself is Tahor, why do we need a Pasuk to declare its Cheilev Tahor?

(c)We answer that - the Beraisa is not speaking about a calf whose neck was broken (which is its Hechsher [like the case of Amri de'bei Rebbi Yanai]) - but in a case where it was Shechted (which is not).

(d)The problem with this however, is - why the Shechitah does not remove Tum'as Neveilah (like it always does), irrespective of whether it is Machshir it to be eaten or to derive benefit from it or not.

9)

(a)So we establish the Beraisa where the calf died by itself, in which case the calf itself is Tamei. Why do we nevertheless require a Pasuk to declare the Cheilev Tahor? Why might we have thought that the Cheilev of an Eglah Arufah might be different than the Cheilev of any other Neveilah, which is Tahor?

(b)How do we extrapolate from here that the Eglah Arufah must be Asur be'Hana'ah already in its lifetime?

(c)Rebbi Yanai specifically said that it was, but he could not recall what it was that rendered it Asur. What did his colleagues therefore remind him?

9)

(a)So we establish it when the calf died by itself, in which case the animal itself is Tamei. We nevertheless require a Pasuk to declare the Cheilev Tahor. Otherwise, we might have thought that, unlike other Neveilos, the Cheilev of an Eglah Arufah is Tamei - because, since the Eglah Arufah is Asur be'Hana'ah, it does not belong to the category of "Ye'aseh le'Chol Melachah", mentioned there in the Pasuk.

(b)We extrapolate from here that the Eglah Arufah must be Asur be'Hana'ah already in its lifetime - because otherwise, since it was not Shechted, why should it be Asur be'Hana'ah?

(c)Rebbi Yanai specifically said that it was, but he could not recall what it was that rendered it Asur. His colleagues reminded him that - taking it down to the valley (to have its neck broken) is the catalyst that renders it forbidden (as we learned in Kidushin).

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