1)

BURNING TERUMAH ACCORDING TO Rebbi MEIR (Yerushalmi Halachah 8 Daf 7a)

משנה אמר ר' מאיר מדבריהן למדנו ששורפין תרומה טהורה עם הטמאה בפסח

(a)

(Mishnah - Rebbi Meir): From their words we learn that one may burn Tamei Terumah together with Tahor Terumah on Pesach.

אמר לו ר' יוסה אינה היא המידה [דף ט עמוד א (עוז והדר)] מודין רבי אליעזר ור' יהושע ששורפין זו לעצמה וזו לעצמה ועל מה נחלקו על התלויה ועל הטמאה שר' אליעזר אומ' תישרף זו לעצמה וזו לעצמה. ור' יהושע אומר שתיהן כאחת

(b)

Objection (Rebbi Yosi): It is not possible to learn this from their words (as the Gemara will explain). Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua agree that each are burned separately. They disagree about a case where one is talui (suspended) and one is Tamei. Rebbi Eliezer holds that they are burned separately and Rebbi Yehoshua holds that they may be burned together.

[דף ז עמוד ב] גמרא מהו בפסח בארבעה עשר

(c)

(Gemara): What is the understanding of the word 'Pesach' in the Mishnah? The 14th of Nisan (when the Chametz is burned).

אמר ר''י מדברי רבי עקיבה מדברי רבי חנינה סגן הכהנים

(d)

(Rebbi Yochanan): When Rebbi Meir said 'from their words', he is referring to the words of Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Chanania Segan HaKohanim (of the previous two mishnayos).

רשב''ל אמר מדברי ר' אליעזר ומדברי רבי יהושע

(e)

(Rebbi Shimon ben Lakish): He is referring to the words of Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua (as the Gemara will now explain).

א''ר זעירא קומי ר' יסי על דעתיה דר' יוחנן ניחא. על דעתיה דר''ש בן לקיש מה בא ר' ליעזר ורבי יושוע לכאן

(f)

Question (Rebbi Zeira to Rebbi Yasi): The opinion of Rebbi Yochanan is understandable. However, to which discussion of Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua is R''SBL referring?

אמר ליה תניין אינון

(g)

Answer: He is referring to a dispute amongst the Tenaim. (The Mishnah in Terumos brings the case of a barrel that broke in the upper winepress when the lower winepress was Tamei - Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua agree that if he is able to save a revi'is of the Terumah from becoming Tamei (before falling into the lower winepress), he should do so. If he cannot, Rebbi Eliezer says he must allow the Terumah to fall and become Tamei, but he may not actively make it Tamei (by collecting it in a Tamei vessel). Rebbi Yehoshua says he may even actively make it Tamei. In our Mishnah, Rebbi Meir understood that just as Rebbi Yehoshua in Terumos holds that since the wine will ultimately go to waste, it is permitted to actively be Metamei it; so too it is permitted on Erev Pesach to do the same.)

ר' יוסי בשם רבי יוחנן הכל מודין בששה עשר ששורפין תרומה טהורה וטמאה

(h)

(Rebbi Yasi quoting Rebbi Yochanan): All agree that on the 16th, one burns Tahor and Tamei Terumah together.

ר' יוסי מקשי למה ר' יסי אמר אינה המידה

(i)

Question (Rebbi Yasi): Why did Rebbi Yosi say (in our Mishnah 1(b)) that 'it is not possible to learn this from their words'?

רבי יסי דו שמע דאמר ר' יוחנן מדברי רבי עקיבה ומדברי רבי חנינא סגן הכהנים. והוא שמע דבר קפרא אמר אב הטומאה דבר תורה וולד הטומאה מדבריהן ולא שמע דמר רבי יוחנן בין זה ובין זה דבר תורה. והוא מקשי כשם שמותר לשרוף איסור תורה עם טומאת תורה שכן שורפין טומאת תורה עם טומאת תורה. [דף ט עמוד ב (עוז והדר)] כך יהא מותר לשרוף איסור דבריהן עם טומאת תורה שכן שורפין טומאת דבריהן עם טומאת תורה

(j)

Explanation of the question: Rebbi Yasi was confused as he had heard from Rebbi Yochanan that Rebbi Meir had learned his case from the words of Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Chanania (see earlier 1(d)). He had also heard that Bar Kafra had said that Rebbi Chanania was discussing a Rabbinic Vlad hatumah (see 14-1(b)). However, he was not aware that Rebbi Yochanan disagreed with Bar Kafra and held that the Vlad hatumah is from the Torah. Therefore, he asked that just as it is permitted to burn a Torah prohibition (Chametz of Terumah on the 16th) with a Torah tumah, so it should be permitted to burn an Rabbinic prohibition (Chametz of Terumah on the 14th at the 6th hour) together with a Torah tumah, since (according to Rebbi Chanania) one burns a Rabbinic tumah together with a Torah tumah?

אלא שנייא היא איסור שנייא היא טומאה

(k)

Conclusion: Rather, one must differentiate between prohibitions and tumah (that even though one may burn a Rabbinic prohibition together with a Torah tumah, Rebbi Yosi holds that one may not burn a Rabbinic pasul together with a Torah tumah.

ואמר רבי יסי בשם רבי יוחנן הכל מודין בששה עשר ששורפין תרומה טהורה וטמאה כשם שלא חלקת לנו בין איסור תורה לטומאת תורה שכן שורפין טומאת תורה עם טומאת תורה כך לא תחלוק לנו בין איסור דבריהן לטומאת תורה שכן שורפין טומאת דבריהן עם טומאת תורה

(l)

Question: Rebbi Yasi quoted Rebbi Yochanan saying that all agree that on the 16th, one burns Tahor and Tamei Terumah together. Just as you did not differentiate between a Torah prohibition and a Torah tumah, since one may burn a Torah tumah with a Torah tumah; so too you should not differentiate between a Rabbinic prohibition and a Torah tumah, since one may burn a Rabbinic tumah together with a Torah tumah?

אלא בין זה ובין זה דבר תורה

(m)

Conclusion: Rather, both are from the Torah (the statement of Rebbi Chanania, 'that was made Tamei by a Vlad hatumah' refers to a Torah tumah. If so, Rebbi Yosi's objection was valid - that was a case of a Torah tumah and a Torah tumah, whereas Chametz of Terumah at the 6th hour is a Rabbinic pasul with a Torah tumah). (However, there is no difference between pasul and tumah.)

אתא רבי חייה בר בא מן צוד ואמר מן שמיה דר''י בין זה ובין זה דבר תורה ואמרית יאות תמן טומאת תורה עם טומאת תורה. ברם הכא פסול תורה עם טומאת תורה. בגין כך רבי יוסי אמר אינה היא המידה

(n)

Support (Rebbi Chiya bar Abba of Tzud quoting Rebbi Yochanan): Both are from the Torah (as was said by Rebbi Yasa, that Rebbi Chanania was speaking about a Vlad hatumah that is from the Torah). However, Rebbi Yochanan said that all agree that on the 16th that one may burn Tamei and Tahor Terumah together (which is a Rabbinic pasul with a Torah tumah). This is why Rebbi Yosi objected (in the Mishnah).

וקשיא דרבי יוחנן על דרבי מאיר והדא דרבי יוסי אמר אינה היא המידה

(o)

Question: Rebbi Yochanan's explanation (of Rebbi Chanania) causes a question on Rebbi Meir, since the objection of Rebbi Yosi is correct? (This is a question against Bar Kafra who said that Rebbi Chanania was referring to a Rabbinic Vlad hatumah.)

[דף ח עמוד א] סבר בר קפרא כרבי שמעון בן לקיש דרבי שמעון בן לקיש אמר מדברי רבי אליעזר ורבי יהושע

(p)

Answer: Bar Kafra follows Rebbi Shimon B''L who said that Rebbi Meir is referring to Rebbi Eliezer and Rebbi Yehoshua (see 1 (e)).

וקשיא דבר קפרא על דרבי יוסי והדא דרבי מאיר אמר מדבריהם למדנו

(q)

Question: Bar Kafra's explanation (of Rebbi Chanania) causes a question on Rebbi Yosi, since Rebbi Meir is correct. (From Rebbi Chanania we learn that one may burn Rabbinic tumah together with Torah tumah. If so, one may also burn a Rabbinic pasul together with a Torah tumah (as they are the same)?

אמר רבי אבין רבי מאיר כדעתיה דר' מאיר מחמיר מדבריהם כדברי תורה

(r)

Answer (Rebbi Avin): Rebbi Meir follows his reasoning that he is stringent with Rabbinic laws as if they are Torah laws.

אין אשכחן דרבי מאיר מחמיר מדבריהן כדברי תורה

(s)

Question: Where does Rebbi Meir say this?

אמר רבי חיננה כיי דתנינן תמן הרואה כתם [דף י עמוד א (עוז והדר)] הרי זו מקולקלת וחוששת משום זוב דברי ר' מאיר וכחמים אומרים אין בכתמים משום זוב

(t)

Answer (Rebbi Chinana): In the following Mishnah - A lady who sees a bloodstain has confused her count of niddah and she must be concerned that she is a zavah. (She does not know when she began to have her menstrual flow and consequently she does not know when the 7 days of niddah end and the 11 days of potential zivvah begin.)(Even though bloodstains are a Rabbinic law, Rebbi Meir (who authored this statement) is stringent that they should affect the laws of zivvah.) The Chachamim say bloodstains do not affect the laws of zivvah.