1)

(a)Rav Kahana asked Rav Ashi why we are not concerned that the Noder may have meant to donate a Minchas Nesachim (making it six Menachos, and not five). And Rava learned in the previous Perek that - a Yachid is permitted to donate a Minchas Nesachim every day.

(b)Rav Ashi gave Rav Kahana a five-point answer - which all have in common the fact that the five Menachos have something in common, that is not shared by the Minchas Nesachim.

(c)Besides the fact that a Minchas Nesachim is applicable to a Tzibur as well as to a Yachid, and that it comes together with a Korban (and not independently), neither of which apply to the other five Menachos - the five Menachos also require ...

1. ... Levonah (which a Minchas Nesachim does not) ...

2. ... and Kemitzah, which it does not require either.

(d)And finally - the five Menachos require only one Log of oil, whereas a Minchas Nesachim requires three. For all these reasons, we assume that the Noder does not have a Minchas Nesachim in mind when he undertakes to bring a Minchah S'tam.

2)

(a)According to the Chachamim in a Beraisa, someone who claims that he fixed a Minchah of Esronim in one K'li, but cannot remember how many Esronim he fixed, must bring sixty Esronim (like we learned in our Mishnah). Rebbi - obligates him to bring as many Esronos as there are from one to sixty (one thousand, eight hundred and thirty Esronim [as we explained in our Mishnah]).

(b)If he adds that he also specified which kind of Minchah he would bring, but cannot remember that either, he has to bring five times the above amount of Esronim, according to ...

1. ... the Rabbanan - three hundred.

2. ... according to Rebbi - nine thousand, one hundred and fifty.

(c)Rav Chisda bases their Machlokes on - whether one is permitted to bring Chulin to the Azarah (the Rabbanan) or not (Rebbi).

(d)According to the Rabbanan, the Noder bring the Esronim - in one K'li, and stipulates that - as much as he undertook to bring constitutes his Chovah, and the remainder is Chulin.

(e)Despite the fact that part of the Kometz appears to be Chulin (posing a Kashya how the Kohen can perform a Kasher Kometz) - in fact, the Kometz is determined by whatever the Kohen has in mind (and he has in mind the Kodesh, but not the Chulin). Consequently, whatever he takes during the Kemitzah is Kodesh, and the Chulin is mixed with the Shirayim.

3)

(a)In the current case, Rebbi holds that - it is both forbidden to mix Nedavah with Chovah, and to bring Chulin into the Azarah.

(b)Neither does Rebbi permit the Noder to bring sixty Esronim in sixty Keilim, and to stipulate that as many Esronim as he undertook to bring should constitute his Korban, and the remainder, should be a Nedavah - because he holds that the K'li fixes the Minchah (as we explained earlier), in which case one is not permitted to bring less than one stipulated in a K'li.

(c)Both Tana'im hold that - mixing Chovah and a Nedavah in the same K'li is forbidden.

4)

(a)According to Rava (or Rabah [see Tosfos DH 'Rabah Amar']), both Tana'im forbid bringing Chulin into the Azarah, and the Rabbanan rule Yavi Minchah shel Shishim Esronim - because they hold thyat one is permitted to mix Chovah with Nedavah.

(b)Consequently, according to them - the Noder brings sixty Esronim in one K'li, and stipulates that as many Esronim as he undertook to bring, constitute his Chovah, and the rest, are a Nedavah.

(c)When Abaye asked Rava ...

1. ... how the Kohen can be Yotzei with one Kemitzah he replied that - indeed, he performs Kemitzah twice, once for the Chovah and once for the Nedavah.

2. ... that performing two Kemitzos will not even help, since it entails separating from Chovah on to Nedavah, and vice-versa, he replied that - the Noder declares the first half Chovah as the Kohen takes the first Kometz, and the second half Nedavah, as he takes the second half.

5)

(a)We have a problem however, with burning the two Kemaztim mi'Mah Nafshach. Based on the assumption that in fact, the Noder undertook to bring all sixty Esronos (which are then all Chovah), the problem with burning ...

1. ... the Chovah after having burned the Nedavah is that - the Kometz Nedavah then turns out to be part of the Minchas Chovah (which diminished when he performed the Kemitzah) and we have a principle that Shirayim she'Chasru bein Kemitzah le'Haktarah, Ein Maktir Kometz aleihen.

2. ... the Nedavah after having burned the Chovah is - the principle that forbids burning any of the Shirayim on the Mizbe'ach (Kol she'Hu mimenu le'Ishim, Harei hu be'Bal Taktiru).

(b)Rebbi Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi establishes our Mishnah where the Kohen first burned the Chovah, and the Tana holds like Rebbi Eliezer, who learns from "le'Re'ach Nicho'ach" (in the Pasuk in Vayikra [in connection with the prohibition of Kol she'Hu mimenu le'Ishim ... '] "ve'el ha'Mizbe'ach Lo Ya'alu le'Re'ach Nicho'ach") that - the Isur is confined to where the Kohen brings it on the Mizbe'ach as part of the Korban (in order to atone), but not to where one brings it on the Mizbe'ach as firewood (le'Shem Eitzim) ...

(c)... which is what the Kohen has in mind, when he brings the second Kometz (of Nedavah) in our case, whilst burning the Kometz di'Nedavah ...

(d)... prior to which he stipulates that - if there is a Minchah of Nedavah in the K'li, then he is burning the Kometz as part of that Nedavah; but if not, then he is burning it as firewood.

6)

(a)Based on the fact that we just established the Rabbanan like Rebbi Eliezer, Rav Acha b'rei de'Rava queries Rava (or Rabah)'s interpretation of the Machlokes (that the Rabbanan and Rebbi are arguing over whether one is permitted to mix Chovah and Nedavah or not), he suggests that - the Rabbanan will hold like Rebbi Eliezer, as we just explained, whilst Rebbi does not hold like Rebbi Eliezer ...

(b)... and both Tana'im will hold - Mutar Le'arev Chovah bi'Nedavah.

7)

(a)Rav Ashi answers that if Rebbi held Mutar Le'arev Chovah bi'Nedavah, it would still be possible to fulfill his obligation with one Minchah, by bringing sixty Isaron in one K'li, and one in another. When taking the Kometz from the larger Minchah, the Noder would stipulate that - if the sixty Isaron are all Chovah, then his Kometz will cover them, and the contents of the second K'li will be a Nedavah. If not, then the Kometz will cover the Chovah in that K'li, and the second Kometz will cover the contents in the second K'li, as well as the Esronos of Nedavah in the first.

(b)To ensure that the Kometz from the second K'li will cover the Minchah di'Nedavah in the first - he will have to bring the two Keilim together so that they are touching.

(c)This dispenses with the Kashya from Kol she'mimenu le'Ishim, Harei hu be'Bal Taktiru - because, assuming that the contents of the first K'li are all Chovah, none of it, besides the Kometz, is burned.

8)

(a)According to Rava, the Machlokes between Rebbi and the Rabbanan is equivalent to that of Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov and the Rabbanan in in the tenth Perek. The Rabbanan hold that a Minchah of sixty Isaron requires sixty Lugin of oil, whereas Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov - requires only one Log for the entire Minchah.

(b)The Rabbanan here hold like the Rabbanan there - whereas Rebbi holds like Rebbi Eliezer ben Ya'akov. Consequently, the Noder will not be able to bring sixty Isaron and fulfill his obligation, because, assuming that some of the Esronos are a Nedavah, they will require another Log of oil (whereas if they all constitute his Chov, one Log will suffice).

(c)They both hold ...

1. ... Mutar Le'arev Chovah bi'Nedavah.

2. ... like Rebbi Eliezer.

9)

(a)Rav Ashi establishes the Machlokes by whether someone who undertakes to bring a small Minchah and he brings a large one, is Yotzei or not. This explains why ...

1. ... the Rabbanan permit the Noder to bring sixty Isaron - since even if he only undertook to bring ten Esronos he will have fulfilled his obligation (see Rabeinu Gershom).

2. ... Rebbi forbids it - since according to him, he would not be permitted to bring more than ten Esronos in order to fulfill his obligation. Consequently, he has no choice but to bring sixty Menachos ranging from one Isaron to sixty).

(b)We query Rav Ashi's explanation however, based on a Mishnah later - where the same Tana'im argue over this very point in a case where someone undertakes to bring a small animal as a Korban, and he subsequently brings a large one (So why do they need to argue twice over the same point?).

(c)In fact, both sets of Machlokes are necessary. We might otherwise have thought that, had the Tana only learned the Machlokes by ...

1. ... Menachos, the Chachamim will agree with Rebbi in the case of animals - because the bigger the animal, the larger intestines it has (and his Neder only covered the smaller ones; whereas in the case of the Menachos, the Kometz is the same in both cases.

2. ... animals, we might have thought that Rebbi will agree with the Chachamim in the case of Menachos - seeing as there is no difference between the sizes of the two Kematzim (as we just explained).

10)

(a)Our Mishnah lists the minimum amounts that different Leshonos incorporate. The minimum the Noder must bring if he specifies ...

1. ... Eitzim - is two logs of wood.

2. ... Levonah - is a Kometz.

(b)The Shi'ur ...

1. ... Levonah that accompanies a Minchah - is a Kometz.

2. ... Minchah for which one is Chayav regarding Ha'ala'as Chutz is - also a Kometz.

(c)The Tana does not include a Kometz bi'Fenim (which is the minimum Shi'ur Hakravah) in his list of Kematzim - because it is obvious that the Shi'ur bi'Fenim is the same as the Shi'ur ba'Chutz.

11)

(a)The two Kematzim that conclude the Tana's list of five Kematzim are - those of the two Bazichei Levonah.

(b)The minimum the Noder must bring if he specifies ...

1. ... gold is - one golden Dinar.

2. ... silver is - one silver Dinar.

3. ... copper is - a Ma'ah's-worth of silver.

(c)A person claims that he specified how much gold he will bring, but cannot remember what he said - must give gold up to the amount that he knows for sure that he did not intend to give.

(d)The Beraisa learns from the word "Korban" ...

1. ... (in the Pasuk in Vayikra "Nefesh ki Sakriv Korban") that - wood is considered a Korban, which is reinforced by the same word ...

2. ... in the Pasuk in Nechemyah "ve'ha'Goralos Hipalnu al Korban Eitzim".

12)

(a)Based on the fact that wood is considered a Korban, according to Rebbi there, before bringing it on the Mizbe'ach ...

1. ... the Kohen is obligated to add - salt.

2. ... the Kohen must take it to - the south-western corner of the Mizbe'ach (like a Minchah).

(b)Rava maintains that, according to Rebbi, the wood also requires Kemitzah, which is done - by grinding little twigs, until sufficient accumulates to form a Kometz-full.

(c)Rav Papa adds to this that - the Korban of wood must be burned with wood of Hekdesh, like all Korbanos.

13)

(a)We learn from the Pasuk in Tzav "Veheirim mimenu be'Kumtzo mi'So'les ha'Minchah ... ve'es Kol ha'Levonah" that - the Shi'ur of Levonah is equivalent to the Shi'ur of the Kemitzah.

(b)The Beraisa rules that someone who declares ...

1. ... 'Harei alai le'Mizbe'ach' - must bring Levonah (which is the only Korban that goes entirely on the Mizbe'ach.

2. ... 'Pirashti, ve'Eini Yode'a Mah Pirashti' - he is obligated to bring one of every kind of Korban that goes on the Mizbe'ach.

(c)With regard to the former ruling, the Tana explains she'Ein l'cha Davar she'Karev legabi Mizbe'ach Ela Levonah'. The Tana not contend with ...

1. ... the Olah - because of the skin, which is given to the Kohanim.

2. ... Olas ha'Of - because of the crop and the feathers, which are thrown on to the Makom ha'Deshen beside the ramp.

3. ... Nesachim - because they are poured (not on to the Ma'arachah, as the questioner thought, but) into the bowl beside the south-western Keren, from where they flow down to the Shitin.

4. ... Minchas Nesachim (which comes together with the Korbanos, and) which is entirely burned on the Mizbe'ach) - because of the Minchas Nedavah, which is not (so the Tana opts to omit Minchah altogether).