Question: If [the Shali'ach] did not say Nechtav b'Yom v'Nechtam ba'Yom Nechtav Lishmah v'Nechtam Lishmah [what is the law]?

Suggestion: This is like was already said;

Question: What [does this refer to? We explained this like ALEI TAMAR.]

Answer: Ravin bar Rav Chisda brought a Get and gave it to her, and did not say b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam. The case came in front of R. Yochanan. He said, take it from her and say b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam [while giving it back to her].

R. Yochanan holds like R. Shimon ben Elazar, for R. Shimon ben Elazar says, it is not a Get unless he says to her at the time of giving 'that it is your Get.' (Perhaps the text should say 'this is your Get' or 'that it is her Get.' - PF)

Objection: R. Yochanan says more than R. Shimon ben Elazar! Does not R. Shimon ben Elazar agree that if he said to her at the time of giving 'that it is your Get', it is a Get, and here, even if he said to her at the time of giving 'that it is your Get', it is not a Get, until he says to her in front of two [witnesses] b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam!

Retraction: Rather, R. Yochanan holds that a woman is not believed to say 'I received my Get from this Shali'ach of my husband.'

Question (Mishnah): A woman herself can bring her Get [and she must say b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam].

We should be concerned lest she received it from her husband's Sheluchim!

Question: What was the conclusion?

Answer: R. Yochanan's reason is in order to establish her to be divorced in front of two. (I.e. even simple witnesses will know that she is divorced. She will not need a Beis Din to rule about her.)

A case came in front of R. Yehoshua ben Levi. (The Shali'ach said b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam, but he did not say 'Lishmah.' [R. Yehoshua ben Levi] said that there is no need (to do anything else).

Question: R. Yehoshua ben Levi contradicts himself! There he said [Gitin] are different, for [Bnei Chutz la'Aretz] are not expert in the fine points of Gitin, and here he says so?!

Answer #1 (Talmidim in the name of R. Yehoshua ben Levi): This was initially, when Chachamim were not common in Chutz la'Aretz. However, nowadays that Chachamim are common in Chutz la'Aretz, they are experts.

Question (Mishnah): And one who takes [a Get from Eretz Yisrael to Chutz la'Aretz must say...]!

Even if you will say that Chachamim [were] not common in Chutz la'Aretz, they [were] common in Eretz Yisrael!

Answer: [They made a uniform decree, and obligated also one who takes to Chutz la'Aretz,] in order to avoid a distinction in Gitin in (i.e. involving) Chutz la'Aretz.

Question: If so, one who brings from Chutz la'Aretz should not need to say b'Fanai Nechtav uv'Fanai Nechtam, in order to avoid a distinction in Gitin of Eretz Yisrael!

Answer: What is this [reasoning]?! We are stringent about the lenient case, due to the stringent case (and we are uniformly stringent). We are not lenient about [a case in which we should be] stringent, due to (making a uniform law for) the lenient case.

Answer #2 (R. Yakov bar Acha citing R. Shimon bar Aba): R. Yehoshua ben Levi said b'Di'eved (the Get is Kosher if the Shali'ach did not say the declaration), but l'Chatchilah, even R. Yehoshua ben Levi agrees [that he must say it]!