More Discussions for this daf
1. The application of "Ein Me'arvin Simchah b'Simchah" 2. The difference between ancient graves and modern ones 3. Tosfos DH u'Menasran
4. Doesn't a short body fit into a long niche? 5. How big can one dig a wash pond? 6. Ishah giving away money

Solomon Spiro asked:

Tosafot moed katan 8b DH mifne states that ein ma'arvin simha besimha applies only to weddings. Yet the gemara on the next day derives the law from Shlomo ha'Melekh's separation of the dedication of the Temple and the holiday of Succot. Neither of these is a wedding?

The Kollel replies:

Tosfos is saying that no Simchah is so significant that it cannot be observed on the festival, except the great Simchah of a marriage. A Simchah such as a Se'udas Mitzvah for Pidyon ha'Ben and the like are is not considered significant enough to warrant the principle of "Ein Me'arvin Simchah b'Simchah" to apply. However, the Simchah of the dedication of the Beis ha'Mikdash is certainly a great Simchah, on par with that of a marriage. (This is alluded to in the Mishnah at the end of Maseches Ta'anis, "Ba'Yom Chasunaso -- this is the giving of the Torah; uv'Yom Simchas Libo -- this is the building of the Beis ha'Mikdash.")

The RITVA, though, argues with Tosfos, and maintains that any type of Simchah is subject to the principle of "Ein Me'arvin Simchah b'Simchah," and it seems that his source is based on what you wrote.

Yosef Ben Arza


David Garber adds:

The Maharsha (in Chidushei Agadot for Ktubot 62b) said that the building

of the Mishkan is the Ei'rusin between God and Israel, and the building of the Mikdash is the wedding between God and Israel.

Now it is understandable why we are studying the rule of "Ein Me'arvin

Simca Be'Simca" which is connected to wedding, from the building of the


David Garber.

Yitzchok Zirkind points out:

Just to add (even with regard to the Mishkan) Rashi Vayikra 10:4 says with regard to the death of Nadav and Avihu, "Haveir Es Hameis Mlifnei Hakaloh" remove the dead person from in front of the Kaloh "Shloi Larveiv Es Hasimcha" so not to disturb the Simcha, hence the Shmini Lmilui'm (the final step in the dedication of the Mishkan) is compared to Simcha of wedding. Kol Tuv

Yitzchok Zirkind