Hi i wanted to ask rav kornfeld a question being that i found his insights on the topic very informative. I just recebtly saw Rav ovadia yosefs teshuvot on histaklus (yaabih omer rach chaim alef siman 6) and he doesnt seem to give an exact answer and seems to offere a strange idea, and then in the end possibly refute it. although it seems that Rav moshe feistein explains it well, and we are noheg like his interpertation and what seems to be mefurash from the gemara of vnishmarta mikol dvar ra, i just wanted to know if u could explain rav ovadias position maybe , becuase it seems in places he also uses the gemara in avoda zara to explain histaklus (and even though we might not go with his understanding , as i have seen many go by rav moshes which seems to be explicit) thanks
moshe
The Teshuva is really not a Teshuva on Histaklus, but rather Rav Ovadia's famous Teshuva on Kol b'Ishah Ervah. I don't think Rav Ovadya was trying to give parameters of Histaklus in the Teshuva, and only slipped it in due to the Sugya of Kol Ishah, and the Acharonim's borrowed terminology of "Kol Mareh v'Rei'ach b'Ervah." R' Ovadya brings various opinions regarding whether this category of Isur is d'Oraisa or d'Rabanan, but does not define exactly what Histaklus is in this Teshuva.
All the best,
Yaakov Montrose
Hello, thanx for the answer to that question. Just one more i wanted to ask R Kornfeld/ R Montrose.
I recently saw a divrei yatziv (Klausenerger) (even ezer siman 1 40 and 41), where it seems he gives all different interpertations on vnishmarta and histaklus. I guess i would like to know what he is saying (because i cant understand really get it), but also he seems to say (in siman 40) something about hirhur only being assur at a higher level if it is done about kriva, but i dont recall seeing that type of hirhur anywhere, as there seem to be two types (from the gemara) as r moshe explained (vnishmarta and lo sasuru). It seems like strange shita and it seems to me like R moshes interpertaion is the widely accepted (and works the best as he brngd the various sugyas, and as you brought down in your insite at the end). thnax if you coud let me know thanks a lot.
The Divrei Yatziv (E.H. #40) indeed quotes the opinion of the Eizer mi'Kodesh that the Torah prohibition of Hirhur is only when a man is thinking about Kirva in order to have relations. He also understands that v'Nishmarta is not a Torah prohibition. However, it is not clear that the Divrei Yatziv himself held this way, as is apparent in the very next Siman. I believe that R' Moshe's approach is a more commonly taken approach.
All the best,
Yaakov Montrose