More Discussions for this daf
1. Moshe's Death and Moshe taking Yosef's coffin 2. Who is "better equipped" to do the Mitzvah? 3. Burial Place of Yosef
4. Yosef Forgiving His Brothers 5. Yosef Yosef 6. "The Wise of Heart Takes Mitzvos"
DAF DISCUSSIONS - SOTAH 13

Amram Bendahan asks:

Shalom Uvracha

On the question of Yosef - the brothers never asked for forgiveness and Yosef never said I forgive you. My questions are:

1. being that Yosef is called a Tzadik should he not have forgiven them.

2. the brothers never asked for him for forgiveness so when the tribes buried him in Shechem was that a way of asking for forgiveness?

3. it seems that Yosef never became close to Yaakov after Yaakov came to Mitzraim so he wouldn't tell Yaakov what really happened. But being that Yaakov got his Nevuah wouldn't Yaakov know this? Can you elaborate on that?

Thank You

Amram Bendahan

The Kollel replies:

Thank you for your interesting questions.

1. I think that one point answers the other. Asking for forgiveness is essential to the process of forgiveness. Conversely, a sinner who does not ask for forgiveness indicates that he is not really sorry for what he did, in which case forgiving him for his sin would be meaningless. In any event, Yosef's behavior towards his brothers from the moment they arrived in Egypt is clear proof that not only did he bear them no grudge and harbor them no ill-feelings, but that his title "Tzadik" remained intact. If anything, it was enhanced.

2. Burying Yosef in Shechem, from where they stole him, was like returning a stolen article to its owner. It has nothing to do with the next stage of asking for forgiveness. (Besides, they were merely fulfilling the oath that their ancestors had made to Yosef. They should have gone to Yosef's grave, accompanied by ten men, and asked for Mechilah, as the Halachah requires, but they did not do so.)

3. The commentaries are divided as to whether Yakov Avinu knew about the sale of Yosef or not. There are indications that he did (see for example, Rashi to Vayechi 49:9), but there is no conclusive evidence. Therefore, some say that he knew, and others say that he did not. In fact, some commentaries maintain that Yosef deliberately kept his distance from his father in Egypt, for fear that his father would ask him for details of his experiences, which would have forced him to speak ill about his brothers.

Kol Tuv,

Eliezer Chrysler