More Discussions for this daf
1. The order of the four Leshonos Ge'ulah 2. The Ruling 3. Explanation in Tosfos
4. Gezeirah Only By Matzah 5. Author of Piskei Hilchos Pesach 6. The Arba Leshonos Shel Geulah; eating Matzah with an appetite versus eating it while satiated
7. What did Rabbenu Tam eat? 8. Matzah on Erev Pesach 9. Silence is Golden.
10. Rashbam 11. פסח ראשון ופסח שני בתוספות 12. תוד"ה סמוך
13. תוד"ה עד שתחשך
DAF DISCUSSIONS - PESACHIM 99

Chaim Kessler asked:

(1) Why are the 4 leshonos shel geula out of order in the Rashbam?

(2) Is there a difference between matzoh b'teyavone (Rashbam in the mishna) and not eating it soveah (Rashbam on the gemora)?

Thank you,

Chaim Kessler

The Kollel replies:

(1) (This question was submitted to us by another Dafyomi learner, and this is what we wrote to him:)

Good point, why is v'Hitzalti listed in the Rashbam out of place? (I found one current author, the "Seder ha'Aruch," who noted this as well but does not suggest any answers.) I have not yet found any source for the order that the Rashbam writes. The order of Rashi, as you wrote, is the order in the Torah, and this is also the order written in the Yerushalmi here, and in the Midrash (Bereishis Rabah 88 and Shemos Rabah, beginning of Parshas Va'era).

However, an interesting suggestion may be made in light of the the Rashbam in Bava Basra (58b, DH Revi'is). There, the original Girsa in the Rashbam's words is "v'Hotzeisi, v'Ga'alti, v'Lakachti, v'Hevesi ." That is, he leaves out "v'Hitzalti" entirely -- just as he leaves that word out of its proper place here -- and instead counts "v'Hevesi," as the fourth word (which also appears in the Torah as the fourth of the Leshonos of Ge'ulah, but which is not included in the list in the Midrash).

It seems that the Rashbam had a Girsa in the Midrash that did not include "v'Hitzalti" but did include "v'Hevesi." Apparently, this is what the Rashbam originally wrote here in Pesachim, and the printer changed "v'Hevesi" to "v'Hitzalti" because he knew the Midrash does not mention "v'Hevesi!" That is why v'Hitzalti is listed last in the Rashbam. However, if we change "v'Hitzalti" here back to "v'Hevesi," in accordance with the Rashbam's Girsa of the Midrash, his order is correct, placing "v'Hevesi" last.

Thank you for bringing up that interesting point!

(2) It seems that "eating Matzah b'Tei'avon" and "not eating it Sovei'a" are the same thing. However, the Rashbam does indeed contradict himself later in the Perek, on 107b. There (at the beginning of the Amud), the Rashbam writes that we are worried that one might eat the Korban Pesach and the Matzah with an Achilah Gasah and he will not fulfill his obligation at all with such an Achilah (and it is not merely a lack of Hidur in the Mitzvah). His source is the Gemara there which says, "Perhaps he will come to eat the Matzah with an Achilah Gasah." If so, the Rashbam's words here are very difficult to understand.

The RASHASH (99b) points out this problem, and the RAN on the Mishnah actually explains that the concern here is for Achilah Gasah. (However, RASHI on 107b actually gives the opposite explanation. Rashi says that even there the intention of the Gemara is that he should eat the Matzah when he has an appetite -- it is not referring to a real Achilah Gasah (as Tosfos there demonstrates that occasionally "Achilah Gasah" just means a lack of appetite, Nazir 23b). Nevertheless, the Rashbam remains difficult.

It seems to me that the Rashbam was forced to explain the Gemara here (99b) as saying that there is no real concern for Achilah Gasah, because if so, why is there a greater fear on Pesach than on any other Yom Tov or Shabbos? Even on Shabbos, though eating Chalah is not a Mitzvah per se like eating Matzah, nevertheless one is required to eat a Se'udas Shabbos and it is forbidden to eat it with Achilah Gasah.

Later, on 107b, the Rashbam explains that we are concerned for Achilah Gasah because that is what the Gemara there says (it must be that the Gemara there holds there like the answer of Rav Papa on 99b, who says that even on Erev Shabbos and Erev Yom Tov it is Asur to eat from Minchah Ketanah and onward).

Best wishes,

-Mordecai