More Discussions for this daf
1. Listening to a Navi 2. Zaken Mamrei 3. The Akeidah - Yitzchak's Consent
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 DAF DISCUSSIONS - SANHEDRIN 89
1. Daniel Sheinfil asks:

Apologies that this is not gemara related (to my knowledge)

I have always wondered regarding Akeidas Yitzchak, how was Yitzchok Avinu as a full adult, allowed to go along with Avrohom Avinu to kill him?

Divrei ha'Rav v'Divrei v'Divrei ha'Talmid, Divrei Mi Shomim.

2. The Kollel replies:

Shalom,

This is a fascinating and challenging question. Yeyasher Kochacha! One possible approach is as follows: Avraham Avinu held the status of an established Navi (as noted by the Maharatz Chayos in Toras ha'Nevi'im, and Teshuvos Chasam Sofer (Orach Chayim #208). The Rambam (Hilchos Yesodei ha'Torah 9:3) explains that under certain circumstances, one must heed a prophet's directive, even if it involves temporarily violating what would ordinarily be prohibited.

However, to me your question remains Tzarich Iyun, as there appears to be a significant leap from obeying a Navi to temporarily transgress a commandment to willingly surrender one's life permanently.

May you continue to achieve greatness in Torah and Yir'as Shamayim!

Warmly,

Yishai Rasowsky

3. Daniel asks:

Bkvod harav Yishai

Thank you for your response.

Typically, when i cant find my question asked anywhere, i understand that it is very likely my deficiency.

It is quite surprising to learn that there doesn't seem to be anyone that asks the question and that the answer of nevius, as you stated, requires further investigation.

Thanks for your efforts and if you think of or find any additional info would be greatly appreciated!

Purim Meshulash Sameach!

4. The Kollel replies:

Shalom R' Daniel,

1) I should have clarified that the Toras ha'Nevi'im (chapter 4, DH v'Ra'ayah Berurah l'Chiluk Zeh), which we discussed above, is actually citing Chazal (Sanhedrin 89b) who directly address your excellent question, and indeed answer that Yitzchak was correct to obey Avraham as a Navi.

2) Let me share two points that help address your excellent question.

a) The Gemara in Sanhedrin (89b) is discussing the circumstances under which a person is obligated to obey a Navi, even if the Navi does not perform any supernatural sign. The Gemara's conclusion is that if the Navi is "Muchzak" -- which Rashi defines as being righteous and a true Navi -- then you should obey him, even if he is telling you to do what normally is forbidden. Evidently, in such a case we can assume his command is based on a Divine directive, which would help resolve the very astute point you made about Divrei ha'Rav v'Divrei ha'Talmid.

b) Interestingly enough, later on in that Gemara there is a view that Akeidas Yitzchak occurred immediately after Yitzchak himself expressed his willingness to give up his life for Hash-m if Hash-m would so command. Based on these circumstances, one might suspect that Yitzchak had a sense that Avraham's attempt to sacrifice him was indeed based on G-d's will, which again would help address the issue of Divrei ha'Rav v'Divrei ha'Talmid.

May you continue to achieve greatness in Torah and Yir'as Shamayim!

Purim Sameach,

Yishai Rasowsky