BECHOROS 60 - Dedicated by Eddie and Esther Turkel in honor of the birth of Dovid Boaz Kornfeld.

1)

TOSFOS DH Yatz'u Shenayim k'Echad...

úåñôåú ã"ä éöàå ùðéí ëàçã îåðä àåúï ùðéí åàí îðàï àçã úùéòé åòùéøé î÷åì÷ìéï

(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains that this creates a Safek.)

ô''ä ëâåï ùéöàå ùðéí ëùäâéò ìùùä àå ìùáòä åîðàï àçã åòì ëï ÷øà äòùéøé ìîðéï áäîåú úùéòé åäàçã òùø òùéøé

(a)

Explanation #1 (Rashi): E.g. two came out [together], when he reached six or seven, and he counted them as one. Therefore, the called the 10th animal "nine", and the 11th animal "Asiri".

àò''â ãáñîåê àîø ÷øà ìòùéøé úùéòé åìàçã òùø òùéøé òùéøé îòùø åàçã òùø ùìîéí

(b)

Implied question: (Here we say that the ninth and 10th are messed up.) Below (in our Mishnah), we say that if he called the 10th "nine", and the 11th "Asiri", the [real] 10th is Ma'aser, and the 11th is a Shelamim!

äëà î÷åì÷ìéï îùåí ãîðä àçã áùðéí ùéöàå ëàçã åîñô÷à ìï àí ðòùéï ëàçã ò''é ùîðàï àçã àå ìà

(c)

Answer: Here they are messed up because he counted two, which came out together, as one, and we are unsure whether or not they become like one through counting them like one.

(åàò''â ãàéëà î''ã áâîøà òùéøé ìîòùø áäîåú ÷ãåù ãîä ùîðàï) [ö"ì àôéìå ìî''ã áâîøà òùéøé ìîðéï áäîåú ÷ãåù ãîä ùéöàå ëàçú ùðéí åîðàï - ùéèä î÷åáöú] àçã îùåé ìéä ñôé÷à

1.

[This is] even according to the opinion in the Gemara that the 10th animal is Kadosh, for this that two left at once and he counted them as one, makes it a Safek;

åàåúå ä÷øåé úùéòé äåé ñô÷ úùéòé ñô÷ òùéøé åä÷øåé òùéøé äåé ñô÷ òùéøé ñô÷ ÷ãåù ìé÷øá:

2.

The one called nine is a Safek ninth Safek Asiri, and the one called Asiri is a Safek Asiri, Safek Kadosh to be offered [for Shelamim].

60b----------------------------------------60b

2)

TOSFOS DH Ad she'Yishtok bi'Teshi'i

úåñôåú ã"ä òã ùéùúå÷ áúùéòé (àìà ùìà ÷øàå òùéøé ìä - ùéèä î÷åáöú îåç÷å)

(SUMMARY: Tosfos gives two explanations of this.)

éù ìôøù áùðé òðéðéí [ö"ì ãîöéðå ìôøù - ùéèä î÷åáöú] ìàå ãå÷à ùéùúå÷ áúùéòé àìà ùìà ÷øàå òùéøé åàôéìå ÷øàå úùéòé

(a)

Explanation #1: There are two ways to explain. We could explain that he need not be silent about the ninth, just he did not call it Asiri, and [the law applies] even if he called it nine;

ãàí ÷øàå òùéøé àéï àçã òùø ÷ãåù ãùúé èòéåú àéï ÷ãåùéï ëàçã ãèòåú îéåçãú áòéðï ëäåà òöîå

1.

If he called it Asiri, the 11th is not Kadosh, for two errors do not become Kadosh like one, for we require that its error is unique, like it itself (the Asiri is unique).

åòåã éù ìôøù ãàí ÷øàå ìúùéòé úùéòé úå ìà äåé èòåú ëù÷øà ìòùéøé úùéòé åëàéìå ÷øàå òùéøé ãîé åàéï àçã òùø î÷åãù ãìà çùéá ëàéìå ðò÷øä ùí òùéøé îîðå

(b)

Explanation #2: Or, we can explain that if he called the ninth "ninth", it is not a mistake if he calls the 10th "ninth". It is as if he called it Asiri, and the 11th is not Kadosh, for it is not considered as if the name of the 10th was uprooted from [the 10th].

åäùúà äåé ùéùúå÷ ãå÷à ùìà éãáø ëìì

(c)

Consequence: Now, "being silent" is precise. He does not speak at all.

åîúøöà áäëé ÷åùéà àçú ì÷îï áùîòúéï ã÷àîø äá''ò ã÷ãéí çã îéðééäå åàôé÷ ìøéùéä å÷øà àçã òùø

(d)

Support: This answers another question below in our Sugya. It says 'what is the case? One of them prematurely stuck its head [out of the pen] and he called it "11"';

åî÷ùé òìä ëîàï ãìà ëøáé ãàé ëøáé äà àîø àçã òùø ìà äåé ò÷éøä

1.

[The Gemara] challenges this 'like whom is this? It is unlike Rebbi, for if it is Rebbi, he said that [calling the 10th] "11" is not an Akirah!'

åäùúà ìå÷îä ã÷øåé úùéòé ìääåà ãàô÷éä ìøéùéä ãìãáøé äëì äåéà ò÷éøä å

2.

Question: We should establish that he called the one that stuck its head out "nine". All agree that this is an Akirah! (Then, it is even like Rebbi!)

ìôé ôéøåù æä ðéçà ãìà äåé ò÷éøä ëãôøé'

3.

Answer #1: According to Explanation #2 this is fine, for it is not an Akirah, like I explained.

åììùåï øàùåï ùôéøùúé ìäëé ìà îå÷é ìéä ãì÷øééä úùéòé ãìà àéöèøéê ìîéúðé äà ãåãàé äåé ò÷éøä

4.

Answer #2: According to Explanation #1, we do not establish it when he called it "nine", for there is no need to teach this. Surely it is an Akirah!

àáì äà àéöèøéê ìàùîåòéðï îùåí ãæîðéï ìà äåé ò÷éøä ìøáé äéëà ãàéú ìéä áäîåú èåáà

i.

However, it needed to teach this (when he called it 11), for sometimes it is not an Akirah according to Rebbi, when there are many (at least 20) animals (like the Gemara says).

3)

TOSFOS DH Shenayim b'Asiri v'Chulei

úåñôåú ã"ä ùðéí áòùéøé ëå'

(SUMMARY: Tosfos explained that he could hold that Iy Efshar Letzamtzem.)

ìòéì ô''á (éæ: åùí ã''ä àôùø) ôéøùúé ãîöé ñáø àé àôùø ìöîöí:

(a)

Reference: Above (17b DH Efshar) I explained above that he could hold that Iy Efshar Letzamtzem.

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