1)

(a)When Rav Oshaya arrived from Neherda'a, and cited a Beraisa 'Rachel bas Eiz, ve'Eiz bas Rachel, Rebbi Meir Mechayev, va'Chachamim Potrim', he asked Rabah to inquire from Rav Huna what the Beraisa is referring to. Why can the Tana not be referring to the Din of ...

1. ... Bechorah? What do we learn from "Ach B'chor Shor" (Korach)?

2. ... Reishis ha'Gez? What does Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael learn from the Pasuk in Iyov "ve'Geiz Kevasai Yischamam"?

(b)He replied that the Beraisa is referring to Oso ve'es B'no. How did he then establish the case? What is the Machlokes?

(c)What problem do we have with this?

1)

(a)When Rav Oshaya arrived from Neherda'a, and cited a Beraisa 'Rachel bas Eiz, ve'Eiz bas Rachel, Rebbi Meir Mechayev, va'Chachamim Potrim', he asked Rabah to inquire from Rav Huna what the Beraisa is referring to. The Tana cannot be referring to the Din of ...

1. ... Bechorah - because Rebbi Meir would not dispute the D'rashah from "Ach B'chor Shor", that the baby must resemble its mother.

2. ... Reishis ha'Gez - because Tana de'bei Rebbi Yishmael learns from the Pasuk "ve'Geiz Kevasai Yischamam" - that hard wool is not called 'Gez' and the wool of a goat whose mother is a sheep is hard (so how can Rebbi Meir declare it Chayav?)

(b)He replied that the Beraisa was referring to Oso ve'es B'no - the Tana is speaking when the father is a goat, and they are arguing over whether Oso ve'es B'no pertains to the father as well as to the mother (Rebbi Meir) or not (the Rabbanan).

(c)The problem with this is - why they do not then argue by a regular case of a goat whose mother and father are goats, and where he Shechted the father and the baby on the same day (like Chananyah and the Rabbanan in Chulin).

2)

(a)So we conclude that they are arguing over the Bechorah, in one of two possible cases. What will be the basis of their Machlokes, assuming that the Beraisa is speaking where the lamb resembles its ...

1. ... mother, but not its grandmother?

2. ... grandmother, but not its mother?

(b)In this latter case, how will we explain 'Rachel bas Eiz, ve'Eiz bas Rachel"?

(c)How can the Tana talk about a Rachel bas Eiz, seeing as a female animal is not subject to the Bechorah?

(d)Rav Ashi establishes the case where the baby resembles its mother in one or two points, in which case, the Chachamim must be Rebbi Shimon. What does Rebbi Shimon say?

2)

(a)So we conclude that they are arguing over the Bechorah, in one of two possible cases. Assuming that the Beraisa is speaking where the lamb resembles its ...

1. ... mother, but not its grandmother, Rebbi Meir holds that - since the baby resembles its mother, it is not a Nidmeh, whilst the Rabbanan hold that since it does not resemble its grandmother, it is.

2. ... grandmother and not its mother, Rebbi Meir holds that - its original status has returned, whereas according to the Rabbanan, the baby's status is gauged by its mother, not by its grandmother (in which case it is a Nidmeh).

(b)In this latter case, 'Rachel bas Eiz, ve'Eiz bas Rachel" - is really one case, and not two. It is a lamb, whose mother is a goat, but whose grandmother is a sheep.

(c)When the Tana talks about a Rachel bas Eiz - he is referring to the species of Rachel (but to a male of that species, since a female animal would not be subject to the Bechorah).

(d)Rav Ashi establishes the case where the baby resembles its mother in one or two points, in which case, the Chachamim must be Rebbi Shimon - who exempts a Nidmeh from the Bechorah, unless it is Rosho ve'Rubo like its mother (as we learned in the first Perek).

3)

(a)According to Rebbi Yochanan, what does Rebbi Meir concede regarding the Se'ir Chatas of Rosh Chodesh?

(b)How does he learn this from the Pasuk in Pinchas "u'Se'ir Izim Echad"?

(c)On what grounds does this ruling also apply to the Se'irei ha'Regalim as well?

(d)From the Pasuk in Emor "Shor O Kesev" we preclude Kil'ayim from the realm of Korbanos. What do we learn from "O Eiz"?

(e)Why do we now need two Pesukim to preclude Nidmeh. Having learned it from ...

1. ... "Shor O Kesev", why do we need "u'Se'ir Izim Echad"?

2. ... "u'Se'ir Izim Echad", why do we need "Shor O Kesev"?

3)

(a)According to Rebbi Yochanan, Rebbi Meir concedes that the Se'ir Chatas of Rosh Chodesh - must be a Sa'ir bas Sa'ir bas Sa'ir... going back to the creation.

(b)And he learns this from the Pasuk "u'Se'ir Izim Echad" - since that is what "Echad" (which is otherwise superfluous) implies.

(c)This ruling applies to the Se'irei ha'Regalim as well - since there too, the Torah writes "Echad" (only the Sa'ir Rosh Chodesh happens to be the first one).

(d)From the Pasuk in Emor "Shor O Kesev" we preclude Kil'ayim from the realm of Korbanos, and from "O Eiz" - a Nidmeh.

(e)We need two Pesukim to preclude Nidmeh. Despite having learned it from ...n

1. ... "Shor O Kesev", we nevertheless need "u'Se'ir Izim Echad" to teach us that - it is not sufficient for it to resemble its mother (which in other areas of Halachah, will suffice to take it out of the category of Nidmeh), but that it must resemble its grandmother ... (back to the creation) as well.

2. ... "u'Se'ir Izim Echad", we need "Shor O Kesev" to teach us that - Nidmeh is also Pasul by Korban Nedavah, and not only by Korban Chovah. Note, that we only have Pesukim for the Se'irei Chatas of the Mo'adim and Korb'enos Nedavah. It is not clear why the Sugya ignores other Korb'nos Chovah, such as Olos and Ashamos.

4)

(a)In connection with the wool of a Nidmeh, what does ...

1. ... Rav Acha bar Ya'akov learn from the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "Lo Silbash Sha'atnez, Tzemer u'Fishtim Yachdav"?

2. ... Rav Papa learn from the Pasuk there "Lo Silbash Sha'atnez ... Gedilim Ta'aseh lach", regarding Techeiles?

3. ... Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak learn from the Pasuk in Tazri'a (in connection with Tum'as Nega'im) "be'Veged Tzemer O be'Veged Pishtim"?

(b)What similar D'rashah does Rav Ashi make with regard to the Nesachim make, based on the words "Zevach u'Nesachim" (in the Pasuk in Emor "Zevach u'Nesachim D'var Tom be'Yomo" [in connection with the Korb'nos ha'Chag])?

(c)From where does he know that the Zevachim have not been changed?

4)

(a)In connection with the wool of a Nidmeh ...

1. ... Rav Acha bar Ya'akov learns from the Pasuk in Ki Seitzei "Lo Silbash Sha'atnez, Tzemer u'Fishtim Yachdav" that - the wool of a Nidmeh is not subject to Sha'atnez ('Mah Pishtim she'Lo Nishtaneh, Af Tzemer she'Lo Nishtaneh').

2. ... Rav Papa learns from the Pasuk there "Lo Silbash Sha'atnez ... Gedilim Ta'aseh lach" that - just as the wool of a Nidmeh is not subject to Sha'atnez, so too, is it not eligible to be used for Techeiles (which must be wool).

3. ... Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak learns from the Pasuk in Tazri'a "be'Veged Tzemer O be'Veged Pishtim" that - it is not subject to Tum'as Nega'im, either.

(b)In similar vein, Rav Ashi, based on the words "Zevach u'Nesachim" (in the Pasuk in Emor "Zevach u'Nesachim D'var Tom be'Yomo" [in connection with the Korb'nos ha'Chag]) Darshens that - Nesachim, like Zevachim, may not be changed. Consequently, the wine from a vine that one placed across the top of a fig-tree, may not be used for Nesachim.

(c)He knows that the Zevachim have not been changed - from the fact that Nidmeh is Pasul, as we just learned.

5)

(a)Ravina queried Rav Ashi from planting flax seeds on top of a bush. What is the problem from there?

(b)What did Rav Ashi reply? Why can one not compare planting flax seeds on top of a bush with planting a vine across the top of a fig-tree?

5)

(a)Ravina queries Rav Ashi from planting flax seeds on top of a bush, inasmuch as - if this is considered a change (as the latter considers a vine placed across the top of a fig-tree to be), then the various D'rashos comparing wool to linen (which has not changed), make no sense.

(b)Rav Ashi replied that one cannot compare planting flax seeds on top of a bush with planting a vine on top of a fig-tree - since unlike the latter, the smell of the former is not affected by the bush.

6)

(a)What does Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili in our Mishnah say about a sheep that gives birth for the first time, to twins?

(b)How does he learn it from the Pasuk in Bo (in connection with the Din of B'chor) "ha'Zecharim la'Hashem"?

(c)What do the Chachamim say?

(d)According to Rebbi Tarfon, the Kohen may pick the better of the two. What does Rebbi Akiva say?

6)

(a)Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili in our Mishnah rules that - if a sheep gives birth for the first time, to twins - the owner must give them both to the Kohen ...

(b)... because the Torah writes in the Pasuk in Bo (in connection with the Din of B'chor) "ha'Zecharim la'Hashem" - implying that sometimes one must give two firstborn animals (from the same mother) to the Kohen.

(c)The Chachamim say - 'I Efshar Letzamtzem' (it is impossible for the two heads to have emerged simultaneously), and since one of them must have been born first, the Kohen can only claim one.

(d)According to Rebbi Tarfon, the Kohen may pick the stronger of the two. Rebbi Akiva says 'Meshamnin Beneihen' (meaning that he may take only the weakest).

7)

(a)According to Rebbi Akiva, what happens to the ...

1. ... second twin (that the Yisrael retains)?

2. ... first twin (that the Kohen takes)?

(b)Why might this speak even in the time when the Beis-Hamikdash is standing? Why can the Kohen not bring it directly on the Mizbe'ach?

(c)Then why does the Tana refer specifically to the second one?

7)

(a)According to Rebbi Akiva, the ...

1. ... second twin (that the Yisrael retains) - must be redeemed after it has obtained a blemish (Yir'eh), after which it may be eaten by owner.

2. ... first twin (that the Kohen takes) too - must be redeemed (seeing as it too, is a Safek B'chor).

(b)This might speak even in the time when the Beis-Hamikdash is standing. This is because the Kohen cannot bring it directly on the Mizbe'ach - in case it is Chulin, and it is forbidden to bring Chulin into the Azarah (let alone on the Mizbe'ach).

(c)Nevertheless, the Tana refers specifically to the second one - because he wants to add the Din of Matanos (which we are about to discuss)

8)

(a)The Tana Kama obligates the owner to give the Matanos of the second animal to the Kohen. What does Rebbi Yossi say?

(b)Should one of the two animals die, Rebbi Tarfon rules that the owner and the Kohen must divide the remaining one. Why is that?

(c)What does Rebbi Akiva say?

(d)What does the Tana finally rule in a case where one baby is a male and the other, a female?

8)

(a)The Tana Kama obligates the owner to give the Matanos of the second animal to the Kohen. Rebbi Yossi rules that - he is Patur.

(b)Should one of the two animals die, Rebbi Tarfon rules that the owner and the Kohen must divide the remaining one - because he now holds that the Kohen owns half of each animal, as we will explain later.

(c)Rebbi Akiva holds - ha'Motzi me'Chavero, alav ha'Re'ayah, and the Kohen receives nothing.

(d)The Tana finally rules in a case where one baby is a male and the other, a female that - the Kohen receives nothing, since here too, the onus lies on him to prove that the male was born first.

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9)

(a)de'bei Rebbi Yanai commented that if Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili holds Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Shamayim, then he certainly holds Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam. Why is that?

(b)What She'eilah do they now ask according to the Rabbanan?

(c)We try to resolve the She'eilah from the Chut ha'Sikra. What purpose did the Chut ha'Sikra serve?

(d)What does it prove? What would be the problem if they made a mistake in measuring its location?

(e)How do we refute the proof? What could they have done to circumvent the problem?

9)

(a)de'bei Rebbi Yanai commented that if Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili holds Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Shamayim, then he certainly holds Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam - because, since the person concerned makes a conscious effort to divide it equally, there is more chance that he will succeed than if something just happens by itself.

(b)They now ask - whether the Rabbanan, who hold I Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Shamayim, will perhaps agree with Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, regarding bi'Yedei Adam.

(c)We try to resolve the She'eilah from the Chut ha'Sikra - which divided the Mizbe'ach in two, to distinguish between the blood that was sprinkled on the top half, and the blood that was sprinkled on the lower half.

(d)The problem if they made a mistake in measuring its location is - that it may well result in the blood being sprinkled in the wrong location and the Korban being Pasul, a proof that bi'Yedei Adam, the Rabbanan concede Efshar Letzamtzem.

(e)We refute the proof however - by suggesting that the Chut ha'Sikra may well have been fairly wide, thereby allowing for a small margin of error, since it was only above the thread and below it that is eligible for sprinkling.

10)

(a)On what grounds do we refute the proof from the Mizbe'ach and the other Keilim in the Beis-Hamikdash, which had to conform to exact specifications?

(b)What is the criterion for a piece of broken earthenware oven to be subject to Tamei?

(c)What does the Mishnah in Midos say about an oven that breaks into two equal pieces?

(d)How does Rav Kahana refute the proof from there that the Rabbanan hold I Efshar Letzamtzem Afilu bi'Yedei Adam? What makes an earthenware oven different?

10)

(a)We refute the proof from the Mizbe'ach and the other Keilim in the Beis-Hamikdash, which had to conform to exact specifications - by suggesting that even if they did err it will not matter, since the Torah only expected them to build the Keilim according to the best of their ability (which explains why the measurements were given to David verbally, and not in writing).

(b)The criterion for a piece of broken earthenware oven to be Tamei is that - it must comprise the majority of the oven.

(c)The Mishnah in Midos rules that if an oven breaks into two equal pieces - they are both Tamei, because I Efshar Letzamtzem (even bi'Yedei Adam).

(d)Rav Kahana refutes the proof from there that the Rabbanan hold I Efshar Letzamtzem Afilu bi'Yedei Adam, because an earthenware oven is different - inasmuch as when it breaks, it does not break evenly, but into pieces with jagged edges.

11)

(a)What does Rebbi Eliezer in a Beraisa say about a murdered man who is found between two towns at a spot that is equidistant from both of them?

(b)Why must he hold Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam?

(c)And how does he interpret the word "ha'Kerovah" (in the Pasuk "Vehayah ha'Ir ha'Kerovah" el he'Chalal")?

(d)On what grounds do we refute the proof from there that he holds like the Rabbanan, who clearly then concede that Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam?

11)

(a)Rebbi Eliezer rules in a Beraisa that if a murdered man is found between two towns at a spot that is equidistant from both of them - they must each bring an Eglah Arufah.

(b)He must hold Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam - because if he held I Efshar Letzamtzem, there would be no reason for the two towns not to bring one calf between them and stipulate that whichever town is the nearest, will be Yotzei with the one calf.

(c)And he interprets the word "ha'Kerovah" (in the Pasuk "Vehayah ha'Ir ha'Kerovah" el he'Chalal") - "Kerovah", 'va'Afilu Kerovos' (when the Torah writes "Kerovah", it does not mean to preclude two towns).

(d)We refute the proof from there that he holds like the Rabbanan, who clearly then concede that Efshar Letzamtzem bi'Yedei Adam - by countering that he might well concur with Rebbi Yossi ha'Gelili, who holds Efshar Letzamtzem even bi'Yedei Shamayim. And our She'eilah as to what the Rabbanan will hold regarding bi'Yedei Adam remains unresolved.

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