MENACHOS 12 (11 Elul) - Dedicated by Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld and family l'Iluy Nishmas Rabbi Kornfeld's father, Reb Aharon David ben Mordechai Kornfeld, an exceptional person in all respects - in honor of his first Yahrzeit.

1)

INTENTIONS THAT DISQUALIFY MENACHOS (cont.)

(a)

(Continuation of Mishnah): The general rule about (the four Avodos, i.e.) Kemitzah, Nesinah (putting the Kometz) in another Kli, Holachah or Haktarah, done with intent to eat something that is normally eaten, or to be Maktir something that is normally Huktar:

1.

If he intended Chutz li'Mkomo, the Minchah is Pasul, but there is no Kares;

2.

If he intended Chutz li'Zmano, it is Pigul, and there is Kares, if the Matir (the Kometz, which permits the Shirayim) was offered properly (except for intention of Chutz li'Zmano).

(b)

Question: When do we say that the Matir was offered properly?

(c)

Answer: Some (or all) of the four Avodos were done (with intent) Chutz li'Zmano and the others were proper.

(d)

Question: When do we say that the Matir was not offered properly?

(e)

Answer: Some (or all) of the Avodos were done (with intent) Chutz li'Mkomo and the others were Chutz li'Zmano;

1.

Alternatively, in Minchas Chotei or Minchas Kena'os, some Avodos were Lo Lishmah (which is Posel these Menachos), the others were Chutz li'Zmano.

(f)

In the following cases the Minchah is Pasul, and there is no Kares;

1.

He intended (during one Avodah) to eat a k'Zayis outside (Chutz li'Mkomo) and a k'Zayis tomorrow (Chutz li'Zmano), or a k'Zayis tomorrow and a k'Zayis outside;

2.

He intended for half a k'Zayis tomorrow and half a k'Zayis outside, or half a k'Zayis outside and half a k'Zayis tomorrow.

(g)

R. Yehudah says, the rule is, if (the intent) Chutz li'Zmano came before Chutz li'Mkomo, it is Pigul, and there is Kares. if Chutz li'Mkomo came before Chutz li'Zmano, it is not Pigul, and there is no Kares;

(h)

Chachamim say, In both cases it is Pasul, and there is no Kares.

2)

HAKTARAH THAT DOES NOT PERMIT THE SHIRAYIM

(a)

(Gemara) Question: (R. Yochanan holds that) if a Minchah became Chaser between Kemitzah and Haktarah, we are Maktir the Kometz, but the Shirayim may not be eaten:

1.

Does this Haktarah (make it considered as if the Matir was offered properly to) make Pigul (if the only Pasul intentions were Chutz li'Zmano), and uproot Me'ilah from the Shirayim?

(b)

Answer #1 (Rav Huna): Even R. Akiva, who says that Zerikah uproots Me'ilah from Yotzei (Kodshim that left the Azarah), says so only about Yotzei, for it is intact, and an external cause is Posel it. He would agree that Zerikah does not help Chaser.

(c)

Objection and Answer #2 (Rava): Just the contrary! Even R. Eliezer, who says that Zerikah does not uproot Me'ilah from Yotzei, says so only about Yotzei, for it is outside. He would agree that Zerikah helps Chaser, for it is in the Azarah.

(d)

Support (Rava, for himself - Mishnah): If Kemitzah was done with intent to eat the Shirayim or a k'Zayis of the Shirayim outside...

1.

(R. Chiya's Beraisa): If Kemitzah was done with intent to eat the Shirayim outside...(the Beraisa teaches all the cases of the Mishnah, but it omits 'or a k'Zayis').

2.

Question: Why did the Beraisa omit 'or a k'Zayis of the Shirayim'?

3.

Suggestion: The Mishnah discusses when the Shirayim became Chaserim, and only a k'Zayis remains;

i.

Since the case cannot be taught regarding Nesinah b'Kli, Holachah or Haktarah (Chisaron after Kemitzah is Posel, so it cannot become Pigul), the Beraisa did not teach it even regarding Kemitzah.

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ii.

The Seifa says that there is Kares. This shows that it is called Haktarah to make Pigul!

(e)

Rejection (Abaye): No, the Beraisa is like R. Eliezer.

1.

(Mishnah): If a k'Zayis of any of the following was offered outside, he is liable:

i.

A Kometz, Levonah, Ketores, the Minchah of a Kohen, Minchas Chavitim, or Minchas Nesachim;

2.

R. Eliezer exempts, unless he offered all of it.

i.

The Tana of the Beraisa could not teach Haktarah of 'a k'Zayis of a Kometz' (since he holds like R. Eliezer, that partial Haktarah is not considered Haktarah), so he did not teach this regarding any of the Avodos.

(f)

(R. Chiya's Beraisa was just like the Mishnah, which said that intent 'Lehaktir its Kometz' causes Pigul.)

(g)

Question: If the Beraisa is like R. Eliezer, there is no Pigul unless he intended Lehaktir all the Matitrim, its Kometz and Levonah!

1.

(Mishnah): If someone offered Kometz or Levonah outside, he is liable;

2.

R. Eliezer exempts, unless he offered both of them.

(h)

Answer: The Beraisa discusses Minchas Chotei (which has no Levonah, therefore Haktaras ha'Kometz alone makes Pigul).

(i)

Question: Did the Tana teach this entire Beraisa only regarding Minchas Chotei?!

(j)

Answer: Yes! Rav Dimi explained that the Beraisa discusses Minchas Chotei. It is like R. Eliezer.

(k)

Retraction (Rava): I was wrong. A Beraisa disproves me.

1.

(Beraisa): "Kodesh Kodoshim Hu" - if one of the Chalos (Rashi - of Lechem ha'Panim; Rambam - of Lachmei Todah) became Chaser, they are all invalid.

2.

Inference: In the case of Yotzei (all was intact, but part left the Azarah), the Chalos remaining inside would be Kesherim!

3.

This is like R. Akiva, who holds that Zerikah takes effect on Yotzei, but it does not take effect on Chaser!

(l)

Rejection (Abaye): The Beraisa does not disprove you;

1.

It does not say that if part was Yotzei, the Chalos remaining inside would be Kesherim. Rather, we infer that if some became Tamei, the Tahor Chalos would be Kesherim;

i.

Question: Why are the Tehorim Kesherim?

ii.

Answer: The Tzitz is Meratzeh.

2.

Indeed, if part was Yotzei, all the Chalos are Pesulim. This is like R. Eliezer, who says that Zerikah does not help for Yotzei.

3.

Really, the Beraisa should have taught also Yotzei. It taught Chaser, for this is a bigger Chidush. Even though the Chalos are in the Azarah, Haktarah does not permit them.

i.

According to R. Akiva, who says that Zerikah helps for Yotzei, Haktarah would permit (the remaining Chalos when some were) Chaser.

3)

JOINING HALF-SHIURIM

(a)

(Mishnah): If he intended to eat half a k'Zayis (of Shirayim, Chutz li'Mkomo or Chutz li'Zmano) and be Maktir half a k'Zayis (of Kometz or Levonah, Chutz...), it is Kosher, because eating and burning do not join.

(b)

(Gemara) Inference: In a similar case of eating (Shirayim) and eating (Kometz or Levonah), they would join, even though it is not normal to eat the latter!

(c)

Contradiction (the previous Mishnah): ...Intent to eat something normally eaten (makes Pigul).

1.

Inference: Things not normally eaten do not make (or join for) Pigul!

(d)

Question: Who is the Tana of our Mishnah?

(e)

Answer #1 (R. Yirmeyah): Our Mishnah is R. Eliezer, who says that intent for a person to eat something proper for the Mizbe'ach, or vice-versa (to be Maktir something proper for people), is intent.

1.

(Mishnah): If Kemitzah was done with intent to eat (Chutz li'Zmano or Chutz li'Mkomo) something which is not normally eaten, or be Maktir something not normally Huktar, it is Kosher;

2.

R. Eliezer says, it is Pasul.

(f)

Answer #2 (Abaye): Our Mishnah can be like Chachamim;

1.

Do not infer that intent to eat something not normally eaten joins for Pigul. Rather, two intents to eat join if both are for something normally eaten.

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