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3) OFFERING TWO KORBANOS DUE TO DOUBT, WHEN ONE KORBAN IS CERTAINLY INVALID
QUESTION: The Gemara teaches that Torim (turtledoves) and Bnei Yonah (pigeons) are valid Korbanos at opposite ages. A Tor must be brought when it is older, and a Ben Yonah when it is younger. The Gemara explains that Bnei Yonah become unfit for Korbanos once their feathers begin turning yellow, while Torim are valid only when their feathers begin turning gold. The Gemara says that both a Tor and a Ben Yonah is Pasul when its fathers turn yellow (a Ben Yonah because it is too old, and a Tor because it is too young).
Rebbi Zeira asks what the Halachah is in a case in which a person pledges to bring a Korban Olah from either Torim or Bnei Yonah, and he brings one of each bird when it starts to turn yellow. Has the person fulfilled his pledge or not? The answer depends on why birds are Pasul when they begin to turn yellow. Perhaps they are Pasul because at the stage at which they begin to turn yellow, it is not known whether they are young or old, and out of doubt one cannot bring them as a Korban. If this is the reason why they are Pasul, then the person does fulfill his pledge to bring a Korban Olah when he brings one of each type of bird when it starts to turn yellow. The two birds are either both young or both old, and thus he has brought either a valid Tor or a valid Ben Yonah. However, perhaps the reason why birds that have turned yellow may not be offered is that birds at this stage are considered like a different creature entirely, which is neither a Tor nor a Ben Yonah. According to this reason, the person does not fulfill his pledge to bring a Korban Olah, since neither of the birds that he brings is a valid Korban when it is yellow.
TOSFOS (DH v'Hevi) asks that the first part of this question seems strange. The Gemara entertains the possibility that one fulfills his pledge by bringing two birds, one Tor and one Ben Yonah, which are both beginning to show signs of yellow, since one of these birds definitely is valid. How, though, is one permitted to bring both birds? If one bird is definitely valid, then the other bird is definitely invalid, since it is either too old or too young! A person is not allowed to bring two Korbanos into the Beis ha'Mikdash when one of them is definitely Pasul.
ANSWERS:
(a) TOSFOS answers that it is obvious that, in practice, a person is not permitted to bring a Korban that is Pasul. The question involves a case in which a Kohen already offered the two birds, even though he was not supposed to do so.
(b) Alternatively, Tosfos answers that the Gemara may even refer to a case in which one is permitted l'Chatchilah to bring both birds. The person's pledge was to "bring" a Korban Olah to the Beis ha'Mikdash. Once he brings both of the birds to the Kohen, he has fulfilled his obligation, since one of the birds is valid, and he has "brought" them to the Beis ha'Mikdash. (The Kohen, of course, does not offer them in the Beis ha'Mikdash, since one of them is certainly Pasul.) This also seems to be the case according to the opinion of RASHI later (139a, DH d'Michsar Hakravah), who states that when a person makes a pledge and says that a certain Korban is "upon me" ("Alai") to bring, his pledge means that he must bring the Korban to the Azarah, and not that he actually must offer the Korban.
The MISHNEH L'MELECH (Hilchos Ma'aseh ha'Korbanos 14:5) has difficulty with this answer. The Gemara in a number of places (see beginning of Zevachim) often discusses the Halachah in a case in which a person brings a Korban, which the Kohen slaughters with intention that it is a different Korban. Although, in the case of most Korbanos, the Korban remains valid, it is valid only as the type of Korban that the Kohen had in mind, and it does not fulfill the owner's obligation (and the owner must bring a new Korban to fulfill his obligation). According to the proposition of Tosfos -- that one merely needs to bring his Korban to the Azarah in order to fulfill his pledge, why should the Korban that was slaughtered with the wrong intention not fulfill his pledge?
1. RAV YOSEF SHALOM ELYASHIV shlit'a (cited in HE'OROS B'MASECHES CHULIN) suggests that Tosfos is discussing a case in which the person specifically stated in his Neder that it is incumbent upon him to bring a Korban to the Gizbar (treasurer) or to the Kohen. In such a case, he indeed fulfills his obligation by bringing the birds to the Gizbar or to the Kohen, since that was the extent of his obligation.
However, Rav Elyashiv is not entirely satisfied with this answer. One problem with it is that the words of Tosfos do not seem to be saying this. If this indeed is the intention of Tosfos, then Tosfos should state so explicitly. Another problem is that Rashi in Me'ilah (19a, DH Ad she'Yatza) says that even when a person must bring a Korban Asham or Chatas, he is no longer responsible for the Korban once he brings it to the Azarah. This implies that one discharges his obligation for all Korbanos by bringing them to the Azarah, and not merely when he specifically limited his obligation (in the case of Neder).
2. Rav Elyashiv therefore suggests an alternative answer. He explains that there are two parts to every obligation to bring a Korban. The first part is an obligation to fulfill the Neder by bringing a Korban, or to fulfill one's obligation to attain atonement by bringing a Korban. The second part is an obligation to fulfill a monetary obligation to give to Hekdesh what one owes to Hekdesh. This second part, the monetary obligation, is fulfilled once the person brings to Hekdesh (to the Beis ha'Mikdash) whatever he owes (i.e. the animal).
This second part of the obligation is evident from the Gemara in Kidushin (13b), which states that when a person accepted upon himself to bring a Korban and then he died before he fulfilled his pledge, his heirs are obligated to bring the Korban in his place (according to the opinion that maintains "Shibuda d'Oraisa"). From there it is evident that when a person accepts upon himself to bring a Korban, he has a monetary obligation to bring the Korban even if it no longer can atone for his sins.
Tosfos and Rashi agree that until a person's Korban is offered on the Mizbe'ach, he does not fulfill his obligation to bring a Korban and he does not attain atonement for himself by just giving it to the Kohen. Nevertheless, by bringing the Korban to the Kohen, one does fulfill his monetary obligation to Hekdesh. (Therefore, when one brought his Korban to the Kohen and then died before it was offered on the Mizbe'ach, his heirs do not need to bring a Korban for him, because he has fulfilled his monetary obligation by bringing the Korban to the Kohen.) (See AVI EZRI, Hilchos Ma'aseh ha'Korbanos 14:5.) (Y. Montrose)
3. The TZELACH suggests another answer. The Gemara in Nedarim (35b) discusses the question of whether the Kohanim who offer the Korbanos for the people in the Beis ha'Mikdash are considered their agents (Sheluchim) or are considered the agents of Hash-m. The Tzelach explains that Tosfos, in his second answer, accepts the opinion that the Kohanim are the agents of Hash-m. Consequently, once a person gives his Korban to a Kohen, he has discharged his responsibility to bring a Korban. The Kohen who accepts the Korban to offer it in the Beis ha'Mikdash is accepting the Korban on behalf of Hash-m. (In contrast, if the Kohanim are agents of the people, then the owner of the Korban is responsible to ensure that the Kohen, his Shali'ach, offers it on the Mizbe'ach, and he cannot discharge his obligation by merely giving the Korban to a Kohen.) (See also EVEN HA'AZEL, Hilchos Ma'aseh ha'Korbanos 15:2:2.) (Z. Wainstein)

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