1)

(a)We now present Rebbi Yochanan's Kashya (from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva) on Reish Lakish differently, as we just explained. What is the problem with Reish Lakish, who now holds 'Re'ayah be'Eidim'?

(b)Why is there no problem with Rebbi Yochanan?

(c)How does Reish Lakish resolve the problem? What Chazakah overrides the brother's argument that their deceased brother was a Katan at the time of the sale?

1)

(a)We now present Rebbi Yochanan's Kashya (from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva) on Reish Lakish differently, as we just explained. The problem with Reish Lakish, who now holds 'Re'ayah be'Eidim' is how the purchaser could possibly have taken possession of the property (seeing as there was no way of proving that he was a Gadol at the time of the sale.

(b)There is no problem with Rebbi Yochanan, who holds 'Re'ayah be'Kiyum ha'Shtar either because it speaks where the purchaser substantiated the Shtar, or because, seeing as the brothers admitted that the Shtar was written, this was not even necessary (like the Rabanan in our Mishnah).

(c)Reish Lakish resolves the problem by dismissing the brothers' argument (that their deceased brother was a Katan at the time of the sale), due to the Chazakah that witnesses only sign on a Shtar where all the parties concerned are Gedolim.

2)

(a)We conclude 'Modeh bi'Shtar she'Kasvo, Ein Tzarich Le'kaymo'. How do we know that this applies even in a case where it is the witnesses who then attempt to disqualify the Shtar?

(b)Rava Amar Rav Nachman a son is not permitted to sell his father's property until he reaches the age of eighteen. What does Rav Huna bar Chinena Amar Rav Nachman say?

2)

(a)We conclude 'Modeh bi'Shtar she'Kasvo, Ein Tzarich Le'kaymo'. We know that this applies even in a case where it is the witnesses who then attempt to disqualify the Shtar since we also switched the opinions in the Beraisa of 'Ein Ne'emanim Le'paslo ... ' (where it was the witnesses who attempted to disqualify the Shtar) to conform with Rebbi Yochanan. (See also Tosfos DH 'Ela le'Didach').

(b)Rava Amar Rav Nachman rules that a son is not permitted to sell his father's property until he reaches the age of eighteen. According to Rav Huna bar Chinena Amar Rav Nachman it is until he turns twenty.

3)

(a)What does the Mishnah in Nidah say about someone who turns twenty and has not yet produced signs of maturity?

(b)In which connection is the Tana speaking?

(c)Based on this Mishnah, what does Rebbi Zeira ask from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva on Rav Huna bar Chinena Amar Rav Nachman?

3)

(a)The Mishnah in Nidah rules that if someone turns twenty and has not yet produced signs of maturity he is a Saris (a eunuch).

(b)The Tana is speaking in connection with Yibum and Chalitzah, to which a Saris is not subject (even though he is a Gadol).

(c)Based on this Mishnah, Rebbi Zeira asks from the Beraisa of Rebbi Akiva on Rav Huna bar Chinena Amar Rav Nachman what is then the point of examining him for signs of maturity, seeing as at the age of twenty, even if he had no Simanim, he would be considered a Saris, who is a Gadol?

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4)

(a)To answer this Kashya, we cite Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak Amar Rav. How does he establish the Mishnah?

(b)What does Rav Ashi prove from the words 've'Hu ha'Saris'?

4)

(a)To answer this Kashya, we cite Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchak Amar Rav, who establishes the Mishnah when he also possessed the signs of a Saris (as listed in Yevamos). Otherwise, he will be considered a Katan.

(b)Rav Ashi proves from the words 've'Hu ha'Saris' what we just said (that he is only a Saris as long as he possesses the signs of one).

5)

(a)Does this mean that someone who neither possesses the signs of a Saris nor has grown signs of maturity, is a Katan for the rest of his life?

(b)What is the significance of the age of thirty-six?

(c)How do we reconcile this Halachah (which requires a combination of signs of maturity plus the age of eighteen or even twenty), with the Mishnah in Pirkei Avos, that considers a boy a Gadol at the age of thirteen?

(d)What would Rebbi Chiya say when they brought before him someone over the age of twenty, who had not yet shown signs of puberty?

(e)What did he achieve by that?

5)

(a)This does not mean that someone who neither possesses the signs of a Saris nor has grown signs of maturity, is a Katan for the rest of his life since in fact, he becomes a Gadol once he reaches the age of thirty-six ...

(b)... which according to the Pasuk in Tehilim "Yemei Shenoseinu Bahem Shiv'im Shanah", means that a person has lived most of his life in this world.

(c)To reconcile this Halachah (which requires a combination of signs of maturity plus the age of eighteen or even twenty), with the Mishnah in Pirkei Avos, that considers a boy a Gadol at the age of thirteen we restrict it to the Din of selling one's father's property (which requires a special maturity), but when it comes to all other issues, a person becomes a Gadol already at the age of thirteen.

(d)When they brought before Rebbi Chiya someone over the age of twenty, who had not yet shown signs of puberty he would say either 'Strengthen him' or 'Make him weak', depending upon whether the delay was caused by weakness or by too much strength.

(e)If nothing happened he would then know that they were indeed Sarisim.

6)

(a)What does Rava Amar Rav Nachman mean when he says 'Toch Zman ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman'?

(b)What does Rava bar Shilo Amar Rav Nachman say?

(c)Rava did not actually state what we quoted him as saying. What did he rule (in the name of Rav Nachman) in the case that came before him (of a youth in his eighteenth [or twentieth]-year who had sold his father's property)?

(d)On what grounds do we refute the proof from there that he holds 'Toch Zman ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman'? What had that teenager done to elicit this reaction from Rava?

6)

(a)When Rava Amar Rav Nachman says 'Toch Zman ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman', he means that if a boy (or a girl) in the eighteenth or twentieth year sells his father's property, he is considered a Katan, and his sale is invalid.

(b)Rava bar Shilo Amar Rav Nachman holds 'Toch ha'Zeman ke'le'Achar ha'Zeman', and his sale is valid.

(c)Rava did not actually state what we quoted him as saying. When the case came before him (of a youth in his eighteenth [or twentieth]-year who had sold his father's property) he ruled (in the name of Rav Nachman) that the sale was invalid.

(d)We refute the proof from there that he holds 'Toch Zman ke'Lifnei ha'Zeman' on the grounds that this particular teenager had acted stupidly, by setting free his Eved Kena'ani, causing himself an immense loss, and proving his incompetence with regard to business matters. That is why Rava invalidated the sale.

7)

(a)Gidal bar Menasheh asked Rava what the Din will be regarding a fourteen-year old girl who was an adept saleswoman. Why did he ask specifically about...

1. ... a girl, and not a boy?

2. ... a girl of fourteen and not a girl of twelve?

(b)What did Rava reply?

(c)On what grounds do we reject the suggestion that Gidal bar Menasheh's She'eilah concerned the sale of Metaltelin? At what age is a child permitted to sell Metaltelin?

7)

(a)Gidal bar Menasheh asked Rava what the Din will be regarding a fourteen-year old girl who was an adept saleswoman. He asked specifically about ...

1. ... a girl, and not a boy, and about ...

2. ... a girl of fourteen and not of twelve because that was the case that was originally brought before him.

(b)Rava replied that in that case, her transactions were valid.

(c)We reject the suggestion that Gidal bar Menasheh's She'eilah concerned the sale of Metaltelin since the Mishnah in Gitin has already taught us that a child is permitted to sell Metaltelin from the age of six or seven (in which case Rav Gidal's She'eilah would make no sense).

8)

(a)When a nineteen-year old sold some of his father's property, why did his brothers advise him to eat dates in Rava's presence and throw the pits in front of him?

(b)The purchasers countered this by instructing him to say to Rav Nachman 'Megilas Esther be'Zuza, Sh'tara de'Mar be'Zuza'! What did they mean by that?

(c)On what grounds did Rava reject the brothers' argument, claiming that he only said what he said because he had been taught to say it?

(d)How did Rava then reinterpret the young man's previous action (of spitting out the date-pits in front of him)?

8)

(a)When a nineteen-year old sold some of his father's property, his brothers advised him to eat dates in Rava's presence and throw the pits in front of him they intended him to look foolish and therefore incompetent in handling his father's property (to encourage Rav Nachman to invalidate the sale).

(b)The purchasers countered this by instructing him to say to Rav Nachman 'Megilas Esther be'Zuza, Sh'tara de'Mar be'Zuza'!, by which they meant that when the Sofer wrote out the document of sale, he (the seller) should claim that if a Megilah cost a Zuz, then Rav Nachman's Sofer ought not to be charging a Zuz for a regular Shtar (proving that he was not as stupid as they thought at first).

(c)Rava rejected the brothers' argument, claiming that he only said what he said because he had been taught to say it on the grounds that if he was smart enough to understand it and then to convey the appropriate message, then he was also smart enough to sell his father's property.

(d)And as for the young man's previous action (of spitting out the date-pits in front of him), Rava reinterpreted that as a sign of Chutzpah (rather than of stupidity).

9)

(a)To whom is Rav Huna Brei d'Rav Yehoshua referring when he validates the son of his deceased father to testify?

(b)Why does Mar Zutra confine this to Metaltelin?

(c)Does this mean that a six or seven-year old may legally testify in matters concerning Metaltelin (seeing as he is permitted to buy and sell them)?

9)

(a)When Rav Huna Brei d'Rav Yehoshua validates the son of his deceased father to testify he is referring to someone under the age of twenty who is testifying on something that he witnessed after he turned bar-Mitzvah.

(b)Mar Zutra confines this to Metaltelin since he is believed to buy and sell property at that age.

(c)This does not mean that a six or seven-year old may legally testify in matters concerning Metaltelin (seeing as he is permitted to buy and sell them) because when it comes to Eidus, the Torah writes in Shoftim "ve'Amdu Shnei ha'Anashim ... ", precluding Ketanim under bar-Mitzvah from testifying.

10)

(a)What did Ameimar say about the gift of a thirteen-year old Yasom?

(b)On what grounds did Rav Ashi object to this?

(c)How did Ameimar counter Rav Ashi's Kashya?

(d)What point was he making? In what way is a gift better than a sale in this regard?

10)

(a)Ameimar ruled that the gift of a thirteen-year old Yasom is valid, even though his sale is not.

(b)Rav Ashi objected to this however on the grounds that if he would not be believed to sell his father's property, because he might sell it too cheaply, how much more so would he not be believed to give it away, where he receives nothing in exchange.

(c)Ameimar countered Rav Ashi's Kashya by suggesting that to Rav Ashi, if a child sells property worth five Zuz for six, his sale ought to be valid, yet it is certainly not.

(d)So we have to say that, for fear that the child, attracted to money, will, due his inexperience, sell all his father's property for a song, Chazal forbade him to sell, irrespective of how much he might earn from this sale. A gift on the other hand, is not a question of money, but that the beneficiary probably did the son a favor, which he would like to repay. So Chazal instituted that his gifts should be valid, to encourage people to do Yesomim favors.

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