ZEVACHIM 69 (8 Tamuz) - Today's Dafyomi study is dedicated to the memory of Dr. Moshe Gottlieb, Moshe Ze'ev ben Chaim Shlomo Yosef ha'Levi z'l, who healed the sick of Jerusalem and Israel with Chesed. Dedicated by his loving family on the day of his Yahrzeit.

1)

(a)Discussing the Melikah of a Korban Of, what does the Beraisa try to prove from the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "ve'Nefesh asher Tochal Neveilah" (in connection with the Din of Tum'as Neveilah be'Beis ha'Beli'ah)?

(b)What does the Tana mean when he asks 'Ha Nami Neveilah Hi'? If it is Neveilah, how can the Kohanim be permitted to eat it?

(c)So he finally learns that Melikah removes the Tum'ah from the Hekesh of Neveilah to T'reifah. How does he learn it from there?

(d)How does the Tana know that the word "T'reifah" is not coming to teach us that ...

1. ... T'reifah is Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah'?

2. ... if one Shechted a T'reifah, it is nevertheless Metamei?

1)

(a)Discussing the Melikah of a Korban Of, the Beraisa tries to prove from the Pasuk "ve'Nefesh asher Tochal Neveilah" that - Melikah removes the Tum'ah, since the bird is no longer a Neveilah.

(b)When the Tana asks 'Ha Nami Neveilah Hi' - he is referring to an Olas ha'Of, which is not eaten, and which is perhaps considered a Neveilah (even if a Chatas ha'Of [which is eaten by the Kohanim] is not).

(c)So he finally learns that Melikah removes the Tum'ah from the Hekesh of Neveilah to T'reifah, inasmuch as - just as T'reifah is not Matir anything, so too, is Neveilah Metamei only when it is not Matir anything (to preclude Melikah, which is Matir the Korban to go on the Mizbe'ach).

(d)The Tana knows that the word "T'reifah" is not coming to teach us that ...

1. ... T'reifah is Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah' - because 'Mah Nafshach', if T'reifah is considered alive, then how can it possibly be Metamei, whereas if it is not, then it is indeed synonymous with Neveilah, in which case it is superfluous (see Tosfos Amud Beis, DH 'I T'reifah Chayah').

2. ... if one Shechted a T'reifah, it is nevertheless Metamei - because the author of the Beraisa is Rebbi Meir, who holds that it is not Metamei (as we will see on the following Amud).

2)

(a)What has the above D'rashah (from "T'reifah") got to do with Molek Kodshim ba'Chutz, and Molek Chulin anywhere?

(b)Another Beraisa discusses Shechitas Chulin bi'Fenim and Shechitas Kodshim (of a bird) anywhere. What objection do we raise when the Tana tries to learn from "Neveilah" that they are not Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah?

(c)How does the Tana therefore preclude them from the word "T'reifah?

(d)Which of the two cases fits smoothly into this Limud?

2)

(a)The connection between the above D'rashah (from "T'reifah") and Molek Kodshim ba'Chutz and Molek Chulin anywhere is that - they are precisely what the Pasuk is coming to include, since, like T'reifah, they are not Matir anything.

(b)Another Beraisa discusses Shechitas Chulin bi'Fenim and Shechitas Kodshim (of a bird) anywhere. When the Tana tries to learn from "Neveilah" that they are not Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah, we object - because, since the Shechitah is not valid by any of them, perhaps they are indeed considered Neveilah.

(c)The Tana therefore precludes them from the word "T'reifah" - in that like T'reifah, Tum'ah be'Veis ha'Beli'ah will only apply to where bi'Fenim and ba'Chutz are equal, to preclude Shechitas Chulin bi'Fenim and Kodshim, bein mi'bi'Fenin bein mi'ba'Chutz.

(d)Shechitas Chulin bi'Fenim fits smoothly into this Limud - whereas Shechitas Chulin ba'Chutz is not Metamei even by a Pasul Korban (when it is a T'reifah, according to Rebbi Meir, as we explained above).

3)

(a)On what grounds does Rava preclude Shechitas Kodshei Of (which is Neveilah wherever it is) from Tum'ah, from Shechutei Chutz?

(b)From there we will be able to learn Shechitas Kodshei Of ba'Chutz. But from where will we then learn that Shechitas Kodshei Of bi'Fenim is not Metamei?

(c)In that case, why is Melikas Of Kodshim ba'Chutz Metamei? What does Rav Shimi bar Ashi say to explain why we do not learn from Melikas Of Kodshim bi'Fenim, that it is not Metamei?

(d)We query Rav Shimi bar Ashi from the Beraisa which learns that a Korban that became Pasul be'Yotzei 'Im Alah, Lo Yeired', from the fact that it is Kasher by a Bamah Lechatchilah (a P'sul from a Hechsher). What do we answer? If the Tana does not really rely on that Limud, then from where does he know it?

3)

(a)Rava precludes Shechitas Kodshei Of (which is Neveilah wherever it is) from Tum'ah - from the fact that such a Shechitah is effective to be Mechayev the Shochet Kareis for Shechutei Chutz.

(b)From there we will be able to learn Shechitas Kodshei Of ba'Chutz. Whereas that Shechitas Kodshei Of bi'Fenim is not Metamei, we will learn - from the fact that, like T'reifah, Neveilah will only be Metamei both ba'Chutz and bi'Fenim, but not just one of them (as we explained above, and as the Beraisa explicitly states).

(c)Nevertheless, Rav Shimi bar Ashi explains that Melikas Of Kodshim ba'Chutz is Metamei (and we do not learn it from Melikas Of bi'Fenim) - because in the previous cases, we learned P'nim bi'Pesul from Chutz bi'Pesul. But we cannot learn Chutz bi'Pesul from P'nim be'Hechsher.

(d)We query Rav Shimi bar Ashi from the Beraisa which learns that a Korban that became Pasul be'Yotzei 'Im Alah, Lo Yeired', from the fact that it is Kasher by a Bamah Lechatchilah. And we answer that the Tana learns it, not from that Limud, but - from the Pasuk "Zos Toras ha'Olah" which includes all cases of P'sulo ba'Kodesh in the Din of Im Alah, Lo Yeired (as we explained on the previous Amud, according to Rav).

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4)

(a)We have already cited Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah, who holds Malak ve'Nimtza'as T'reifah, Eino Metamei. How does he learn ...

1. ... the Shechitah of a T'reifah Chulin bird via a Kal va'Chomer from the Shechitah of a T'reifah animal?

2. ... the Melikah of a T'reifah Kodshim bird from the Shechitah of a T'reifah Chulin bird?

(b)Rebbi Yehudah disagrees entirely with Rebbi Meir. What does he say?

(c)Rebbi Yossi rejects Rebbi Meir's Kal va'Chomer on the basis of Dayo. What does he mean?

4)

(a)We have already cited Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah, who holds Malak ve'Nimtza'as T'reifah, Eino Metamei. He learns ...

1. ... the Shechitah of a T'reifah Chulin bird via a Kal va'Chomer from the Shechitah of a T'reifah animal - which is Metamei through touching and carrying, yet its Shechitah removes the Tum'ah, Kal-va'Chomer that of a T'reifah Chulin bird, which is not (except for be'Beis ha'Beli'ah, as we have already explained), and which should certainly lose its Tum'ah through Shechitah.

2. ... the Melikah of a T'reifah Kodshim bird - via a Binyan Av from the Shechitah of a Chulin bird.

(b)According to Rebbi Yehudah - neither the Shechitah of a Chulin bird nor the Melikah of a Kodshim bird removes the Tum'ah.

(c)Rebbi Yossi rejects Rebbi Meir's final Limud (from the Binyan Av) on the basis of Dayo - restricting the removal of Tum'ah to Shechitah (like its source), but not Melikah.

5)

(a)Based on the Pasuk in Beha'aloscha (Hash-m's words to Moshe in connection with Miriam's sin) "ve'Avihah Yarok Yarak be'Fanehah, ha'Lo Sikalem Shiv'as Yamim", for how long ought Miriam to have been quarantined?

(b)Then why wasn't she?

(c)Why does this pose a Kashya on Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah?

5)

(a)Based on the Pasuk (Hash-m's words to Moshe in connection with Miriam's sin) "ve'Avihah Yarok Yarak be'Fanehah, ha'Lo Sikalem Shiv'as Yamim", Miriam ought to have been quarantined - for fourteen days (seeing as against the five things that a father implants into a child, Hash-m implants ten).

(b)The reason that she wasn't is - because of the principle Dayo (restricting what we learn with a Kal-va'Chomer or a Binyan-Av to the extent that it applies to the source).

(c)This poses a Kashya on Rebbi Meir in our Mishnah - who Darshens a Binyan-Av (Melikah from Shechitah) in spite of Dayo.

6)

(a)Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Avin answers the Kashya with a Pasuk in Shemini. What problem does he initially have with the Pasuk "Zos Toras ha'Beheimah ve'ha'Of"?

(b)How will Rebbi Meir therefore interpret the Pasuk?

(c)Rebbi Yehudah counters this with a Pasuk of his own. What problem does he have with the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "Neveilah u'Tereifah ... " (that we discussed on the previous Amud)?

6)

(a)Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Avin answers the Kashya with the Pasuk "Zos Toras ha'Beheimah ve'ha'Of" - which initially appears problematic - due to the differences between them (the one is Metamei through Maga u'Masa, the other, through eating be'Beis ha'Beli'ah).

(b)Rebbi Meir will therefore interpret the Pasuk to mean that - the Mitzvah that one performs with the bird (Melikah), like the Mitzvah that one performs with an animal (Shechitah), removes Tum'as Neveilah.

(c)Rebbi Yehudah counters this with the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos "Neveilah u'Tereifah ... " (that we discussed on the previous Amud). The problem with the Pasuk is that - Mah Nafshach, if a T'reifah is considered alive, then why should it be Metamei, whereas if it is considered dead, then it is included in Neveilah?

7)

(a)What is the status of a T'reifah, according to Rebbi Yehudah?

(b)And how does he therefore interpret the Pasuk?

(c)Why does the Shechitah then not remove the Tum'ah?

7)

(a)Rebbi Yehudah holds - T'reifah Chayah ...

(b)... and he explains the Pasuk to mean that - even if one Shechts a T'reifah bird 9or is Molek a T'reifah bird), it is nevertheless Metamei be'Beis ha'Beli'ah ...

(c)... and the reason that the Shechitah does not remove the Tum'ah is - because if one were to cut off a piece from the animal and eat it (even not a complete limb), he would be Tamei (Eiver min ha'Chai), and the Shechitah only has the power to remove the Tum'ah of Neveilah, but not that of Eiver min ha'Chai).

8)

(a)Rav Shizbi queries this interpretation of the Pasuk from a Pasuk in Tzav "ve'Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah ... Ve'achol Lo Sochluhu". What is the Pasuk coming to teach us?

(b)What must the Torah be referring to when it inserts the word "T'reifah"?

(c)What does this imply, regarding the animal itself?

(d)We query this however, from a statement by Rav Yehudah Amar Rav (or by a Beraisa). What does Rav Yehudah learn from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with Tum'as Neveilah of an animal) "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah". What does he extrapolate from the word "min"?

8)

(a)Rav Shizbi queries this interpretation of the Pasuk from a Pasuk in Tzav "ve'Cheilev Neveilah ve'Cheilev T'reifah ... Ve'achol Lo Sochluhu" - which comes to teach us that the Cheilev of a Neveilah and a T'reifah animal is not Tamei.

(b)When the Torah inserts the word "T'reifah", it must be referring to - a T'reifah that was Shechted (because otherwise Mah Nafshach ... as we asked above) ...

(c)... implyng - that the animal itself is Tamei.

(d)We query this however, from a statement by Rav Yehudah Amar Rav (or by a Beraisa), which learns from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with Tum'as Neveilah of an animal) "ve'Chi Yamus min ha'Beheimah" that - some animals are Tamei when they die and some are not (a Kasher animal that has been Shechted.

9)

(a)So what do we learn from "T'reifah" (in Tzav [if not 'T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei'])?

(b)What is now the Kashya on Rebbi Yehudah (who just learned that Of T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei from "T'reifah" in Shemini)?

(c)How do we counter the answer that Rebbi Yehudah learns this from "Neveilah" (which does not apply to a T'reifah animal)?

9)

(a)So we learn from "T'reifah" (in Tzav [not 'T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei', but]) - that only the Cheilev of a Kasher Neveilah animal (which is subject to T'reifus), is Tahor, but not the Cheilev of a non-Kasher Neveilah.

(b)The Kashya on Rebbi Yehudah (who just learned that Of T'reifah she'Shachtah, Tamei from "T'reifah" in Shemini) is that - the same D'rashah is applicable to the Pasuk in Acharei-Mos (to preclude non-Kasher birds from the Tum'ah of Nivlas Of Tahor from "T'reifah") in which case it is not superfluous to learn his D'rashah (T'reifah she'Shachtah Metam'ah).

(c)When we answer that Rebbi Yehudah learns this from "Neveilah" (which does not apply to a non-Kasher animal) - we counter this by pointing out that, by the same token, we can learn the Din by Beheimah from "Cheilev Neveilah", leaving "T'reifah" open to interpretation (and however we interpret that, we will interpret "T'reifah" by Of.

10)

(a)So we Darshen "T'reifah" by Beheimah to preclude the Cheilev of a Chayah from the status of Tahor. On what basis do we do that?

(b)Why might we have thought that it is not?

(c)How do we query this from the Cheilev of a non-Kasher animal (which we just declined to learn from "T'reifah")? What does Chayah have in common with a T'reifah animal?

(d)What else do we ask from the Pasuk "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu"?

10)

(a)So we Darshen "T'reifah" by Beheimah to include the Cheilev of a (Kasher) Chayah in the Din Taharah - because whatever is subject to the Din of T'reifah is included in the leniency of Cheilev.

(b)We might we have thought that it is not included since, when it is Shechted, its Cheilev is permitted, and therefore, we would consider its Cheilev and its Basar as one and both ought to be Tamei.

(c)We query this from the Cheilev of a non Kasher animal (which we just declined to learn from "T'reifah") - precisely because its Cheilev is part of the Isur of the Basar, and "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu" does not pertain specifically to it (in which case the same S'vara applies to the Cheilev of a Chayah).

(d)And besides, the Pasuk "ve'Achol Lo Sochluhu" - cannot refer to the Cheilev of a Chayah any more than to the Basar.

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