MENACHOS 40 (14 Nisan) - dedicated by Mr. D. Kornfeld l'Iluy Nishmas his grandmother, Chayah bas Aryeh Leib Shpira (nee Sole), on the day of her Yahrzeit.

1)

(a)Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel argue over a Sadin ba'Tzitzis. What is a Sadin?

(b)On what basis do Beis Hillel rule that it is Chayav?

(c)Why do Beis Shamai disagree?

(d)What are the dual ramifications of their Machlokes?

(e)Why does the Mishnah use the expression Potrin and Mechayvin and not Osrin and Matirin?

1)

(a)Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel argue over a Sadin ba'Tzitzis, A Sadin is - a linen garment,

(b)Beis Hillel rule that it is Chayav - because they Darshen 'Semuchin' ("Lo Silbash Sha'atnez ... Gedilim Ta'aseh lach", permitting wearing a linen four-cornered garment, even though it requires woolen Techeiles-threads.

(c)Beis Shamai exempt rule that it is Patur - because they do not Darshen Semuchin.

(d)The dual ramifications of their Machlokes are - 1. whether or not, the garment is Chayav Tzitzis; 2. whether or not, the wearer transgresses the Isur of Sha'atnez.

(e)The Mishnah uses the expression Potrin and Mechayvin and not Osrin and Matirin - because the Mitzvah of Tzitzis is not just the personal obligation of the wearer, but also pertains to the garment, even when it is not being worn.

2)

(a)Over what do Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel argue, besides woolen Tzitzis on a linen garment?

(b)Then why did the Mishnah pick specifically Sadin be'Tzitzis?

2)

(a)Besides woolen Tzitzis on a linen garment, Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel also argue over - linen Tzitzis on a woolen garment (as we learned earlier) ...

(b)... and the reason that the Mishnah picked specifically Sadin be'Tzitzis is - because (unlike the latter case) once one attaches Tzitzis (incorporating Techeiles), it is inevitably Kil'ayim, which is not the case by a woolen garment.

3)

(a)What is Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok coming to teach us, when he declares that whoever attaches Techeiles (Tzitzis) to his linen garment in Yerushalayim creates a stir?

(b)Rebbi disagrees with Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok. According to him, why did the Rabbanan forbid Sadin be'Tzitzis in Yerushalayim?

(c)Who gave the Rabbanan a mandate to negate a Mitzvah min ha'Torah, by allowing people to wear garments without Tzitzis?

3)

(a)When Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok declares that whoever attaches Techeiles (Tzitzis) to his linen garment in Yerushalayim creates a stir - he is coming to support the opinion of Beis Shamai.

(b)According to Rebbi, the Rabbanan forbade Sadin be'Tzitzis in Yerushalayim - because the men of Yerushalayim were not expert in Darshening Semuchin, and the Chachamim were afraid that if they permitted it, others might go on to permit Kil'ayim elsewhere.

(c)The Rabbanan's mandate to negate a Mitzvah min ha'Torah, by allowing people to wear garments without Tzitzis is - based on the Torah's permission to permit what the Torah forbids be'Shev ve'Al Ta'aseh (but not be'Kum va'Asei), as we learned in Yevamos (as is the case here, where they declared 'Don't attach Tzitzis!').

4)

(a)Alternatively, Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok comes to query Beis Shamai. What did he then mean to ask when he said ve'ha'Lo Kol ha'Matil Techeiles bi'Yerushalayim Eino Ela min ha'Masmihin?

(b)And what did Rebbi then mean?

(c)What did Rava reply when Rabah bar Chanan asked him why, according to Rebbi, they did not ...

1. ... organize ten men to go to the market-place, each wearing a Sadin be'Tzitzis (to publicize the Heter)?

2. ... announce at the Pirka (the big Yom-Tov D'rashah, which everyone attended) that Sadin be'Tzitis is permitted? If it was not the D'rashah of Semuchin that the Chachamim were worried about, then what *were* they worried about?

4)

(a)Alternatively, Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok came to query Beis Shamai. When he said ve'ha'Lo Kol ha'Matil Techeiles bi'Yerushalayim Eino Ela min ha'Masmihin, he meant to ask that - this implies that people were surprised if one wore a Sadin be'Tzitzis in Yerushalayim, but not that it was forbidden (as Beis Shamai maintained).

(b)In that case - Rebbi meant to resolve Rebbi Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok's Kashya on Beis Shamai, in that they did not forbid it mi'd'Oraysa (as Rebbi Eliezer believed), but mi'de'Rabbanan (as we explained earlier).

(c)When Rabah bar Chanan asked Rava why, according to Rebbi, they did not ...

1. ... organize ten men to go to the market-place each wearing a Sadin be'Tzitzis (to publicize the Heter), he replied that - the people would be even more surprised if they did.

2. ... announce at the Pirka (the big Yom-Tov D'rashah, which everyone attended) that Sadin be'Tzitis is permitted, he replied that - the Chachamim were worried (not about the D'rashah of Semuchin as we thought until now, but) about the possibility that the Techeiles dealers will sell Kala Ilan (a forgery that resembles Techeiles), in which case the Isur of Kil'ayim be'Tzitzis would remain.

5)

(a)What do we mean when we ask 've'Lo Y'hei Ela Lavan'?

(b)And we answer with a statement of Resh Lakish. What did Resh Lakish say regarding Kol Makom she'Atah Motzei Asei ve'Lo Sa'aseh ... ? When does the Asei override the Lo Sa'aseh, and when does it not?

(c)On what grounds do we refute the current explanation of Kala Ilan? Why would the Chachamim not have issued such a decree?

(d)So we suggest that the decree to which Rebbi refered was that of Te'imah. What is Te'imah?

(e)Alternatively, the Kashya Velivdekeih means that whoever purchases dye for Techeiles should examine it for forgery, in which case there is no reason to worry about Kala Ilan. What does Ela Gezeirah Mishum Te'imah then mean?

5)

(a)When we ask ve'Lo Y'hei Ela Lavan, we mean to ask that, based on what we learned earlier, permitting woolen Tzitzis of Lavan as well as those of Techeiles on a linen garment [see Tosfos DH 'Keivan']) - why were the Chachamim concerned about Kala Ilan, since even Lavan is permitted?

(b)And we answer with a statement of Resh Lakish Kol Makom she'Atah Motzei Asei ve'Lo Sa'aseh - Im Atah Yachol Lekayem es Sheneihem, Mutav; ve'Im La'av, Yavo Veyidcheh es Lo Sa'aseh. Consequently, there where there is no Mitzvah of Techeiles, woolen Tzitzis of Lavan will not override the Isur of Kil'ayim (seeing as it is possible to attach linen Tzitzis).

(c)We refute the current explanation of Kala Ilan however - because seeing as it is possible to institute examining all the cauldrons in which the Techeiles dye is prepared for forgery (as we will see later), the Chachamim would not have issued such a decree.

(d)So we suggest that the decree to which Rebbi refered was that of Te'imah 'testing' - meaning that, even if it is possible to test the dye, the Chachamim were afraid that the sellers might pour some of the dye that has been tested back into the cauldrons of Techeiles, thereby rendering the entire cauldron Pasul, as we will see later).

(e)Alternatively, the Kashya Velivdekeih means that whoever purchases dye for Techeiles should examine it for forgery, in which case there is no reason to worry about Kala Ilan, and Ela Gezeirah Mishum Te'imah then means that - they decreed in case the seller sells genuine dye that was used to test the cauldrons (which is also Pasul), and which cannot be examined.

6)

(a)But this too, we query with Velicht'vah a'Diski. What does that mean?

(b)How do we try and refute that too?

(c)Rava however, upholds it, since we rely on it regarding Chametz on Pesach and Yom Kipur. What is he referring to?

(d)How does that then substantiate our previous Kashya?

6)

(a)But this too, we query with Velicht'vah a'Diski, which means that - the Chachamim should send out letters to teach the people how to do Te'imah, without disqualifying the remaining dye.

(b)We try and refute that too - on the grounds that letters are not reliable (since there are always people who will disregard them).

(c)Rava however, upholds it, since we rely on it regarding Chametz on Pesach and Yom Kipur - with reference to the letters that they sent to the Golah, informing them that they had fixed a leap year, or Elul as a full month, that year ...

(d)... and if they relied on Diski regarding Chametz on Pesach and fasting on Yom Kipur, both of which are subject to Kareis, how much more so with regard to Tzitzis, which is merely an Asei.

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7)

(a)Rava explains the decree of Rebbi (Lamah Asruhah? L'fi she'Ein Beki'in) in connection with the concern that people whose Kanaf tore, might stitch it with linen threads, leaving some of it hanging from the corner. What were the Chachamim afraid that they may then do when attaching the Tzitzis?

(b)So what if they did?

(c)What was Rava referring to when he added that Rebbi Zeira in Eretz Yisrael concurred with him?

(d)Rav Zeira explained Gezeirah Mishum K'sus Laylah. What did he mean by that?

7)

(a)Rava explains the decree of Rebbi (Lamah Asruhah? L'fi she'Ein Beki'in) in connection with the concern that people whose Kanaf tore within three finger-breadths, would stitch it with linen threads, leaving some of it hanging from the corner. The Chachamim were afraid that subsequently, when attaching the Tzitzis - they may include the excess thread into the Tzitzis ...

(b)... in which case the Tzitzis will be Pasul because of "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy' (the Tzitzis must be attached initially for the Mitzvah of Tzitzis, and not adapted from the threads that are already hanging from the garment). Consequently, the wearer will be wearing Kil'ayim she'Lo be'Makom Mitzvah.

(c)When Rava added that Rebbi Zeira in Eretz Yisrael concurred with him he was referring to - the occasion when Rebbi Zeira removed the Tzitzis from his linen garment, specifically for the reason that Rava gave.

(d)Rav Zeira explained Gezeirah Mishum K'sus Laylah, by which he meant that - the Chachamim were afraid that one may wear the (otherwise Kasher) Sadin be'Tzitzis at night-time, when there is no Mitzvah, contravening the La'av of Sha'atnez (see Tosfos DH 'Mishum' and Shitah Mekubetzes 1).

8)

(a)What did Rava say about a regular garment with corners of leather, or vice-versa?

(b)Why is that?

(c)Whom did he claim agreed with him?

(d)What did Rav Acha'i say?

8)

(a)According to Rava, a regular garment with corners of leather - is Chayav Tzitzis, but not vice-versa ...

(b)... because the criterion for Tzitzis is the Beged, not the Kanaf.

(c)And he claimed once again - that Rebbi Zeira in Eretz Yisrael agreed with him.

(d)Rav Acha'i maintained that - the Kanaf is the criterion, and not the Beged.

9)

(a)What does Rava say about attaching Tzitzis to a three-cornered garment and then cutting the garment to make a fourth corner?

(b)How will he then explain the Beraisa Chasidim ha'Rishonim she'Argu bah Shalosh, Hayu Matilin lah Techeiles?

(c)How will he amend the text?

9)

(a)Rava maintains that attaching Tzitzis to a three-cornered garment and then cutting the garment to make a fourth corner - constitutes "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy' ...

(b)... and the Beraisa Chasidim ha'Rishonim she'Argu bah Shalosh, Hayu Matilin lah Techeiles - is referring (not to the corners, but) to the final three finger-breadths of the Beged, from which point the Tzitzis are placed.

(c)In fact, Rava amends the text to Keivan she'Batz'u bah Shalosh (meaning that, when weaving the garment, the Chasidim would attach the Tzitzis as soon as they reached that point [see Shitah Mekubetzes 4]).

10)

(a)What does Rebbi Zeira say about attaching Tzitzis to a garment that already has Tzitzis, and cutting off the first ones?

(b)How will Rava (who holds "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy') explain this? Why is it not a case of "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy'?

(c)On what grounds does Rav Papa query Rava's explanation?

10)

(a)Rebbi Zeira rules that if one attaches Tzitzis to a garment that already has Tzitzis, and then cuts off the first ones - the Tzitzis are Kasher, apparently because he does not hold "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy', see Tosfos DH 've'ha'Amar' and Shitah Mekubetzes 5).

(b)According to Rava (who holds "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy') however, this is not a case of "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy' - because attaching the second set of Tzitzis constitutes Bal Tosif (adding to the Mitzvah), automatically negating the Asiyah, which takes place only when one cuts off the first set, and which is therefore Kasher (See Tosfos, DH 'be'Bal Tosif').

(c)Rav Papa queries Rava's answer however, in that - if the person who attaches the second set of Tzitzis has in mind to negate the first set, and not to add to it, it will not constitute Bal Tosif, and will therefore remain "Ta'aseh", 've'Lo min he'Asuy'?

11)

(a)How do we initially interpret Rebbi Zeira ... Amar Shmuel's statement, exempting Tzitzis from Kil'ayim, even in the case of a Talis which is Patur? What does Patur refer to?

(b)How does the Beraisa define a Talis that does ...

1. ... have the Shi'ur?

2. ... not have the Shi'ur?

(c)The Tana adds 've'Chein le'Inyan Kil'ayim'. What are the ramifications of this statement, assuming he meant that the Din of Arai applies to Kil'ayim, too?

(d)How do we know that this is not what the Tana means? What does the Mishnah in Kil'ayim say about this?

11)

(a)Initially, we interpret Rebbi Zeira ... Amar Shmuel's statement, exempting Tzitzis from Kil'ayim, even in the case of a Talis which is Patur, to mean - one that does not have the Shi'ur that is Chayav Tzitzis.

(b)The Beraisa defines a Talis that does ...

1. ... have the Shi'ur as - one that covers the head and body of a Katan, and which a Gadol would not be embarrassed to wear in the street.

2. ... not have the Shi'ur as - one that does not cover the head and body of a Katan, even if a Gadol would not be embarrassed to wear it occasionally in the street.

(c)The Tana adds ve'Chein le'Inyan Kil'ayim. Assuming he meant that the Din of Arai applies to Kil'ayim, too, the ramifications are that - one is permitted to wear a Beged of Kil'ayim, casually.

(d)He cannot mean that however - since the Mishnah in Kil'ayim specifically states that there is no such concession as Arai by Kil'ayim.

12)

(a)How does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore explain ve'Chein le'Inyan Kil'ayim?

(b)In light of the ruling that there is no Arai by Kil'ayim, how will we explain Rebbi Zeira's statement va'Afilu be'Talis, Peturah? What kind of P'tur is he referring to?

(c)But did Rebbi Zeira not already teach us Hitil le'Muteles, Kesheirah?

12)

(a)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak therefore explains ve'Chein le'Inyan Kil'ayim to mean that - the same Din will apply to Sadin be'Tzitzis (that if the Sadin would cover a Katan, and a Gadol would not be ashamed to wear it casually in the street), one is permitted to attach Tzitzis to it.

(b)In light of the ruling that there is no Arai by Kil'ayim, Rebbi Zeira's statement va'Afilu be'Talis, Peturah must refer to - putting Tzitzis on a Talis that already has Tzitzis.

(c)Rebbi Zeira did indeed already teach us Hitil le'Muteles, Kesheirah - and it is from there that we derive his latter ruling (see Tosfos DH 'Chada').

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